Registration Help Please

[Kristov93]

Hi I have recently bought a boat in New Caladonia and intend to bring her to Brisbane Australia! Now I want to re-register her into my name my questions are if I register under the Australian flag when I sail in will they expect tax and duty

I am an Aussie resident but a NZ citizen I was thinking of registering her online in NZ then coming in to Aussie! Does this work

Also as she is registered in the old owners name in the US would I have all soughts of hassles with OZ customs if I just blew in like that?

Bassically what I'm trying to do is bring her to aussie for a bit but not pay any tax and duty! Can I border jump so to speak! Like every time my length of stay is about to expire jump over to New Cal or the likes then come back and get full entitlement stay again for yacht?

All advice very much appreciated

Cheers

Chris

[Wotname]

Originally Posted by Kristov93

Hi I have recently bought a boat in New Caladonia and intend to bring her to Brisbane Australia! Now I want to re-register her into my name my questions are if I register under the Australian flag when I sail in will they expect tax and duty

I am an Aussie resident but a NZ citizen I was thinking of registering her online in NZ then coming in to Aussie! Does this work

Should work - but you will just be a visiting yacht and still subject to transit requirements.

Also as she is registered in the old owners name in the US would I have all soughts of hassles with OZ customs if I just blew in like that?

Can't be definitive but I suspect you will have a very good chance of "all sorts of hassles" in this approach

Bassically what I'm trying to do is bring her to aussie for a bit but not pay any tax and duty! Can I border jump so to speak! Like every time my length of stay is about to expire jump over to New Cal or the likes then come back and get full entitlement stay again for yacht?

This sounds more expensive and inconvenient than paying the correct taxes & duties.

All advice very much appreciated

Cheers

Chris

I think the biggest issue you will have is that when (not if) Customs work out you are attempting to hoodwink them, your life will become very difficult. They are aware of the various ways one might avoid paying tax & duty. You might get away with it in a grey area once and even maybe twice but unlikely to be successful after that. Once detected, they will not be your friends anymore and you could even expect "issues" when say leaving / returning by air.

Just my opinion of course but I have had friends in AQIS and the stories they tell about people who attempt to evade their (and customs) regulation are legend.

I am not the guvmit's friend but paying the said tax maybe less stressful than falling foul of them.

If you do work out a foolproof way of avoiding the tax, don't post it online!!!

[Wanderlust]

Also, if you do manage to avoid paying the taxes, I can't see you getting away with it when you do eventually decide to sell it. The taxes must be paid as soon as it goes on the market in Australia.

[Mr B]

If it was manufactured in the USA, There is no duty Payable in OZ, Free Trade Agreement,

You will get hit with the GST, 10 % of actual boat cost calculated on the day you bought it, plus the costs and expenses of getting it here from the last port of call,
Its 10 % GST of that as well,

Dont even think of diddling them, AQIS know more about your boat than you do,

And they do have the power to Seize your vessel, And they do, If you cheat them, Its not worth the Hassle,
And I dont think you would like the massive fines they can inflict apon you if they think you are trying to Fleece them, As well as any other fees you owe them,

I bought mine in Fiji, So I did the same as you,

Mines registered in Victoria, $73-00 a year,

If its registered with the USCG, The PO will have the Paper work, Just change it over to your OZ Rego number,
Nice clean Paper trail, Change over is effort less,

They do need to know clearly who owns the Vessel and where it was manufactured, , On Paper, and what it is actually worth,
And they are not stupid,
They are right on the ball, Very easy to get on with, Very Helpfull, I had no troubles at all with AQIS and Customs,

I just could not leave the Burnett River, Bundaberg, past the heads till the boat had been cleared by the pest controller, No Termites Etc, AQIS,

It depends on how much wood you have inside your boat, Day or two, Waiting on the termite inspector, Its at your cost as well, Mine was about $500-00.Inspection fees,

In Brisbane they have a dog, So its quicker,


They do take credit cards, Hahahahaha,

[Kristov93]

Ok I will take the safe option and attempt to register in Australia which is going to be a hassle in its self as I need it seems to get the deregistration paper from the old owner and And he's surfing it up in Bali ! Also I will have too do it all online asI am in the desert working! You mentioned to registered it statewide Mr B don't you have to register it on the federal ships register?

Now as for tax and duty the previous owner actually imported it into NZ for a bit and put a very low price for what he payed for it and got excepted I could follow suit with this paperwork as back up but anybody who knows anything about yachts would see it was worth much more! And I presume customs know yachts! What are your thoughts on this one?

Finally as I purchased the boat overseas would that country expect a tax/duty cut themselves!

Yes I know a bit late on doing my homework and for the sail back for that matter! But hey!!!

Ok looks like I will have to pay my dues to Greedy but the people are Nice OZ! I thought I might ! What happens if you don't have all the money it would be nice to do in instalments !

Thanks so much for your time and advice

Cheers

[Kristov93]

Oh it's a french made boat! Haha the credit card lives for giving money o the wind! Cheers

[Mr B]

I do believe they take installments, But you do have 12 months to pay any way,

Coming into OZ, They dont care where its registered, Going out might be a different story,

But you do need to prove ownership, And where it was built, To prove it for the Trade agreement, Other wise you get slugged another 5% Duty, Making it 15 % All up, Inc GST,

I had all the paper work, I registered mine in Victoria, Before I had even paid for the Boat in full, Or even seen it, Other than Piccys,

Its $1200-00 for OZ International Registration, A one off payment, Commonwealth Rego,

I didnt have it, I still dont have it, And wont be getting it, I dont need it as I wont be going over seas in it,

Well, Tasmania is only 140 miles away, So you cant call that over seas, Hahahaha,

It depends on where you are and where the boat is at the time of settlement also,

No Idea on NZ Laws, Ask a Kiwi,

Mine was a Straight Sail, Fiji to OZ,

Your crew, Their food, upkeep, and return air fares are also GST Taxable as above,

Its all part of the cost from your last port of call,

Except for the Vic Boat Rego, Hahahahahaha,

I went in, Vicroads, Cars and Boats, Trucks, Coachs,, Same place, In Person, Good Grief, Their Computer wasnt going to wear it, My Boat didnt exist on their System, So you cant have it, Go away, Thats too hard for us, Their Computer any way, Hahahaha

They had to manually put my Vessel onto their System so I could get it Registered, This is 34 foot of Yacht, It does exist, Hahahaha

It was the same with my 36 foot Coach I imported from the USA,

Its not on our system, So you cant have it Registered,

Same Drama, They manually entered it into their system, Its now called a Home Made Caravan, Its now Fully Registered, Mines about the 3500th one they have built at that time, They are now up around 6000 Coachs and are still in Business making Mobile Homes in the USA,

Every thing I did was online, Finding it on Google, Getting it Hauled Out and Surveyed, At my Cost, and my Surveyor,

Paying for it, The Paper Work, Ownership, Transfer of Captains and Crew from the vessel, Its Required by Law,
Other wise you dont leave,

Make sure the P/O has paid all his debts up to the time of hand over, Food, Fuel, Marina Fees, Etc,

Customs and Quarantine in both Countrys, Boat and you and your Crew,

And dont sail out at night, Wait on anchor till the next day. How to turn Grey Overnight, Hahahahaha

[Jimbo485]

Spend a year in the Pacific before bringing it to Oz, then get it valued and then pay the taxes. Your purchase price will be irrelevant.

Sail her hard during that year!

[svseachange]

Good info in this thread. Thanks guys!

[Emmalina]

The more I read about that police state the less i wish to visit....

[svseachange]

Originally Posted by Emmalina

The more I read about that police state the less i wish to visit....

Oh my goodness... please.... can we leave the Aussie-US rivalry out of this thread and stick to the practical matters related to sailing/cruising?

I'm going to import my US made boat into Australia soon and this information is important to me.

[Kristov93]

Originally Posted by Jimbo485

Spend a year in the Pacific before bringing it to Oz, then get it valued and then pay the taxes. Your purchase price will be irrelevant.

Sail her hard during that year!

Yeah I don't want to get her valued as I don't want to get slugged for the true value or there perceived value! I want to go low but not too low that they say ok we want it valued mister!!! Fine line!!!
as the previous owner had it imported stating a low price in NZ I am still wondering if I should go for gold and claim a similar price in Australia with the old kiwi documentation as a kind of backup!

Saying that again im afraid the Oz customs wont buy it and along comes there valuer at my expense! a similar thing happened to a mate of mine he did not have NZ import documentation though but he stated a price they declined it bought in a valuer at his cost and he quoted extremely high! probably as punishment for trying it !!,Any thoughts???

Now thanks to the previous posts I think I have got a grasp of what needs to be done for entering! Bummed that they will surely class me as a permanent resident even though I am a kiwi and it says in black and white on there web page permanant residents will be charged tax and duty and not get the year cruising visa! I can't see a way around this ???

And as previous posts have mentioned there know fools they deal with this everyday! Hah they probably read threads like this to if there sailers themselves as some of them know doubt would be! It just seem like a **** load money! Hard earned money but hey that's capitalism and OZ ain't the only country extorting! There all at it! Bless them

Cheers once more

[Kristov93]

Originally Posted by Emmalina

The more I read about that police state the less i wish to visit....

She's well regulated but probably know more so than Italy and well Thailand try playing up their!!!

Not much knocking down doors and people disapearing happening in Aussie yet! So police state stretching it! Greedy , regulated yes but they all are!!!

Not a bad old island Aussie though NZ destroys it for beauty

[Mr B]

It cost me around 15 grand extra on my boat, For the 10 % GST, On a 150 Grand boat,

And around $1500-00 for all the other costs, Termite inspection AQIS, Customs, Etc Etc,

[Mr B]

Police State, Only if you ride a motor bike in Queensland, Your automatically a criminal,

Stay out of Queensland, Hahahahaha