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Old 11-12-2015, 18:53   #31
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Re: Reals of rope on stern

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I think some comments are off the original question. I believe these long lines are for towing aft on solo sailor's boats. If the sailor falls overboard he or she can swim directly behind the boat and grab onto the long line. With lots of strength and determination they can pull themselves back to the boat as it tries to sail off without them. Then the next problem is getting on board.


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Above 3 knots I don't think you have a hope in proverbial. I've tried at various speeds (with someone else on board) and above about 3.5 knots I couldn't catch the boat (without flippers) and if I had been wearing clothes the speed would probably have to be less than 2 knots. Above 4 knots my arms were being wrenched out of their sockets if I tried to hold on to the rope let alone pull myself back in and in any sort of seaway you would be pulled under the water a lot.

I have the flat rope type on a reel (50m) and it is great for anchoring in the Med and tying back to shore although if the wind gets up it makes strange noises.

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Old 11-12-2015, 20:11   #32
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I've noticed lately that a lot of yachts coming from overseas have reels of rope on the stern of them what is this used for mainly when cruising


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As others said, for tying off to shore and also for drogues.


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Old 11-12-2015, 20:42   #33
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Re: Reals of rope on stern

I had one on my beachcombing boat I used on the BC coast in the PNW. Depending on bottom holding, I could run either a stern or forward line onto the beach, secure my boat and go ashore to pick up my logs, put together a section of boom and be off before the logging supers even knew I was there! Boy, thinking back, those were exciting times! Only managed a couple of bullet holes through my wheelhouse windows as I recall...Phil
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Re: Reals of rope on stern

Does anyone use a Donald J Jordan series drogue? and couldn't one be used for the same purpose while the cones could be making the line more visible to other vessels?
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Old 12-12-2015, 03:48   #35
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Re: Reals of rope on stern

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As others said, for tying off to shore and also for drogues.
If as shown in the very early photo that rope would be for use in the Med or the Baltic etc. That isn't long enough for a lot of other work.

Class 3 thread drift alert !!

Nice Skip Novak vids.... while I agree with his view on drogues and have never felt the need to use anything like that I think it was a bit of overkill with the wires at Cta Maxwell.... but that is a bigger boat than mine.
Tying off like that also denys the anchorage to others......

One thing I do know is that you need lines in Maxwell rather than relying on your anchor... this is a 'close in on the edge of the kelp' tie off at Maxwell with 3 lines plus the kedge off the stbd quarter
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If as shown in the very early photo that rope would be for use in the Med or the Baltic etc. That isn't long enough for a lot of other work.

Class 3 thread drift alert !!

Nice Skip Novak vids.... while I agree with his view on drogues and have never felt the need to use anything like that I think it was a bit of overkill with the wires at Cta Maxwell.... but that is a bigger boat than mine.
Tying off like that also denys the anchorage to others......

One thing I do know is that you need lines in Maxwell rather than relying on your anchor... this is a 'close in on the edge of the kelp' tie off at Maxwell with 3 lines plus the kedge off the stbd quarter
Yes, the tying off in Skips vid does deny other boats somewhat. However, his location was a very remote place near cape horn. Its not like the Med with 300 boats in every bay :-D.
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Yes, the tying off in Skips vid does deny other boats somewhat. However, his location was a very remote place near cape horn. Its not like the Med with 300 boats in every bay :-D.
'somewhat'......

I've arrived at Maxwell at the end of the day and found that I couldn't get in as some dropkick was parked in the middle with a spiderweb of lines.
Despite its remoteness it can get busy...its one of only two anchorages near Cape Horn... busy of course being relative.

Setting yourself up in the middle like that can lead to a self fulfilling prophecy situation. 'We needed all the lines cos it blew like stink'..... because we were in the middle of the bay.
If you tuck in tight you are out of the wind.....

Maxwell again but the previous pic was lots closer in and far more sheltered....lower rightish at the head of the 'indent'..
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Re: Reals of rope on stern

How do you lift back a substantial anchor from stern!?

We must distinguish between:
- stern line for anchoring ashore
- stern Anchor

I am still puzzled, wondering to use a crane... but if boat heels/rolls, it is quite dangerous and impractical...... so...!?!?
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Re: Reals of rope on stern

You retrieve a stern anchor ( normaly a small flat anchor )
from the bow. LOL
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Re: Reals of rope on stern

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I think some comments are off the original question. I believe these long lines are for towing aft on solo sailor's boats. If the sailor falls overboard he or she can swim directly behind the boat and grab onto the long line. With lots of strength and determination they can pull themselves back to the boat as it tries to sail off without them. Then the next problem is getting on board.


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I've never heard of that ever saving anyone.

A jackline, or two, is the preferred means of staying on the boat.

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Some people are missing something significant. The reel is ONLY a storage device and IMO a good one.

You do not EVER put strain on it! Reel off enuff line that you can belay the bight on a bitt or cleat and leave "the bitter end" on the reel with no strain on it.

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Those reels on recreational vessels have no load carrying capacity.

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How do you lift back a substantial anchor from stern!?

We must distinguish between:
- stern line for anchoring ashore
- stern Anchor

I am still puzzled, wondering to use a crane... but if boat heels/rolls, it is quite dangerous and impractical...... so...!?!?
Can't speak for others but I have quite a small kedge with a bit of chain and then rope...as shown.... big enough for all intended usage...

Its light enough to simply lift clear by hand.

Otherwise as said walk the warp frd and bring it up over the bow roller.
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Re: Reals of rope on stern

Turning a boat end for end, shifting the rode from one end to the other, is not really very difficult, even in a well-grown boat like a Nauta 54, tho of course the harder it blows, the less room you have for messing up.

Once you are comfortable doing it, setting and weighing a stern anchor using the forward capstan or windlass works just fine. The awkward bit is handling the rode and the anchor itself on deck if it normally stows aft. If you use this routine a lot separate cable lockers forward for the two rodes is a very good idea as is chocks forward for both anchors :-)

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Re: Reals of rope on stern

Here in the PNW (especially north around Vancouver Is.) the reel of rope on the back of boats are used for stern ties to land. 600' is recommended, the front anchor is dropped the stern tie is taken to shore usually around a tree then back to the boat. When leaving simply untie one end from the boat and pull it back around the tree, hoist anchor, works well in tight anchorages. Sometimes we overthink things.
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I the Thousand Islands Park, East end of lake Ontario, they do not want you to tie to a tree only to rocks.
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