Originally Posted by TanzerTom
Perhaps a thread is needed titled: Blue Water Boats Fit for Coastal Cruising?? Seems there are very very few folk interested in a "production" boat for circumnavigating but quite a few folk who would consider a blue water boat for coastal cruising... even though the production boats would seem to fit the coastal criteria much much better that most blue water ones. Race cars and the family sedan will both go around a race track with the car designed for the track stomping the family sedan. Which one would serve the most folk in the most ways in most conditions? Not the race car.
That exactly is the point to view. I think the discussion is useless as one who wants to buy a boat should stick his damn nose quite deep in the facts.
Let me give you some:
1.) as a producer what would I want?
a.) reducing production cost as much as possible (Hullthickness 1980 30mm, now 6-8mm i.E.)
b.) satisfy my customers as much as possible
ba.) enable safe? cruiser-racing getting them +10knots for sportsmans (finn keel
, skiff underwater design for speed)
bb.) icreasing comfort to the standards of luxury mobile homes (increasing width and height, 2 wheels, aft bathing platform, blade rudder
for perfect rudder
2.) as charter
crew - mainly at coastal waters (95% of the crew stays there)
a.) well much of the designs the manufacturers provide.
b.) cold beer
at any time
c.) hot shower
ca.) a wellness hole instead of a toilet bath shower
cb.) rooms instead of cabins + tv-sets and aircondition
cc.) the above on a <30ft boat to reduce the charter fees
- ahm yes up with that something all the day we want to live our adventure - nothing more (skippers fault if the wind
is < 3 knots)
So as a charter skipper
in croatian water (Adriatic, Med) I faced this about ten years and it is ok for me - if it is ok for the crew in coatal waters.
As a romatic dreamer I bought my own ship this year:
Vagabond 47 ketch
, long keel
, 20 tons - hull
thickness above water 20mm, below water from 25mm to 40mm increasing. Middle cockpit
- yes I have to renew a lot including steps astern to fix the gangway
in 4 positions
- no bathing platform
- sturdy beast below 10 knots <= 3 knots stw .... unsteerable
- bowthruster required to steer her in reverse
had 60knots at a mistral at sardignia - of course downwind - what else and the ship showed me that it liked it... was like sitting in a cinema and terrific nice to sleep with her movements. genny 6m out and main 2 reefs
and no more that a few times 25° at heel
A lot of same experiences in Croatia
with Beneteaus and Bavarias with forces up to 60knots alike. Sorry folks above 35knots I am going to fell uncomfortable with these constructions hammering in the waves rolling nervous with 3-4 reefs
in the furlingmain and just a meter of the genny out.
: today 7-8mm for 120mē, mine 12mm
Well I am glad to have some sort of traditional ship wit 47' to liveaboard
Would not consider less than 40ft on any boat I want to live on an do some bluewater
Fact even with the V47 middle cockpit the last of three 8m sisters kissed my back once.
I am so glad to have a real Bluewater
Yacht Builders SHIP and I never ever will look at another boat as long as I can afford her!
fair winds and clear skies - willi