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Old 05-01-2015, 13:21   #421
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+1 about tapered bronze seacocks.
What comes to backing plates you have had your share of shitty installations on that side of the pond too.
Yeah, no doubt about that. I'm pretty sure the concept of shitty installations is not nation or region specific!
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Old 05-01-2015, 13:22   #422
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I could but I don't want. I am feed up with you asking about confirmation regarding what I say. You should know UK is not properly EC, I mean they are in but they have a foot in other out and may probably go out as a result of a referendum they plan to make. Contrary to other EC countries they also don't need boat licences to sail so that goes with liberty package that some other European countries see as irresponsibility.

The UK is properly in the EU, and is even one of the more loyal members when it comes to correctly applying EU law and directives. (Contrary to for example France...)
That the UK doesn't require licenses is not that exceptional. Neither does, afaik, Belgium or The Netherlands. And probably many others.



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OK, thanks. Wonder what Polux meant when he said Britain had one foot in and one foot out? This seemed to be a separate reference from an upcoming referendum on the matter.
He's quoting their PM, thou if they decide to jump of the train Scotland and Northern Ireland might not and will take their own referendums..
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Ireland is a full EU member. The link I provide for not verify your claim.

It is easy to make claims. To maintain credibility, most people when asked will attempt to back up those claims. I am a willing student, but I also need to see evidence when anything I find contradicts your statement.

If you are not willing or unable to back up your statements, the wise thing is not to make them at all. After all, this is a matter that either is factual or it is not. There is no wiggle room here nor is it a matter of opinion.
AV - I'm really trying to help you out here. You're starting to look a little silly. Look at where Polux lives and center your search on the requirements of that country. Hint - he doesn't live in Ireland.
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Okay - this is what's hilarious to me about these kinds of debates. We see example after example after example of production boats out there plying very blue water all over the world. People having an absolute blast.

And, instead of talking about the real joy these people are getting out of it all and digging into how they did it - most guys here are obsessing over a broken sea-cock, socio-economic-political organization, and legalese.

THAT is as funny as it is sad.

So, to you whose sailing lives revolve around such minutiae, I say enjoy your seacocks, federations, and contractual language. It's admirable.

To everyone else, I say - doesn't this look awesome!?!!?!?!



THIS is what this thread is about.
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Hey Smack after thousands of topics about this subject you still dont get it, right?
No one here say they cant sail around the world baby, no one say in this fórum is really dangerous to sail a Bavaria to the Marquesas or beyond, how many topics you need to understand that!!
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He's quoting their PM, thou if they decide to jump of the train Scotland and Northern Ireland might not and will take their own referendums..
OK, thanks for educating the Yank. Not all that up on Euro politics over here.
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OK, thanks. Wonder what Polux meant when he said Britain had one foot in and one foot out? This seemed to be a separate reference from an upcoming referendum on the matter.
Britain is a fully vested member with a few sovereign exceptions on membership. They are not in the fiscal community as per the EURO for one. Britain also retained the right to refuse compliance with rules that conflicted with Heritage and some British traditions.

Also, EVERY member country has the right to run referendums for the general populace to see if they want to retain membership or not.

There is no such thing as "not properly EC", you are either in or out. There are joining "stages" for new members, which are to equalise rules etc, but you are "IN" when you start, just some things dont apply to you at that time until you are fully vested.

Britain has been in from the near the beginning of the EC.
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Okay - I was just going by what you wrote:



If it's prudent to change out fittings on an Oyster and a production boat every 5 years, why are people freaking out about the CE spec for fittings lasting 5 years?

Sounds like it's actually imprudent for most of these guys to be trusting their old fittings in their blue water boats regardless of material.


What actually most bronze fittings will last a lifetime so while some people may choose to replaced them that is just a personal decision, you should know that now that you have plans to do some cruising. If you had a boat with brass fittings then it would be very prudent to replace them every 5 years.
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Hey Smack after thousands of topics about this subject you still dont get it, right?
No one here say they cant sail around the world baby, no one say in this fórum is really dangerous to sail a Bavaria to the Marquesas or beyond, how many topics you need to understand that!!
Oh, I've been convinced of that since day one. The thread keeps going because others are not so convinced that production boats are safe off-shore. So you might want to ask them.
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Britain is a fully vested member with a few sovereign exceptions on membership.
So, Polux was essentially right.
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Britain is a fully vested member with a few sovereign exceptions on membership. They are not in the fiscal community as per the EURO for one. Britain also retained the right to refuse compliance with rules that conflicted with Heritage and some British traditions.

Also, EVERY member country has the right to run referendums for the general populace to see if they want to retain membership or not.

There is no such thing as "not properly EC", you are either in or out. There are joining "stages" for new members, which are to equalise rules etc, but you are "IN" when you start, just some things dont apply to you at that time until you are fully vested.

Britain has been in from the near the beginning of the EC.
Remarkable what you can learn from a bluewater boat thread! Thanks for taking the time to explain.
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What actually most bronze fittings will last a lifetime so while some people may choose to replaced them that is just a personal decision, you should know that now that you have plans to do some cruising. If you had a boat with brass fittings then it would be very prudent to replace them every 5 years.
So, as one who wants to be prudent, should I believe you, or Keno, or the CE rating?

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Oh, I've been convinced of that since day one. The thread keeps going because others are not so convinced that production boats are safe off-shore. So you might want to ask them.

No diference at all with topics like this regarding what they think or not, i mean you cant change the way of thinking of some members...
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No diference at all with topics like this regarding what they think or not, i mean you cant change the way of thinking of some members...
You definitely have that right. My goal with this thread is not at all to change these guys' minds. Not interested.

My goal is to simply acknowledge the patently obvious. That's important for new sailors.
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