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Old 03-01-2015, 11:24   #166
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Re: Production Boats Fit For Blue Water

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I'm all for disengaging nothing to be learned anyway!
Sounds good. Thanks. It would be a bummer to have the thread locked for no good reason.
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Old 03-01-2015, 11:27   #167
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Sounds good. Thanks. It would be a bummer to have the thread locked for no good reason.

I've been trying to ignore this thread,as well it's the movie ground hog day all over again.
But somebody count, how many times has Smack talked about the thread getting locked?
Is that your adjenda?


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Old 03-01-2015, 11:30   #168
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Also a Brand new 2005 (at the the time ) Bavaria 36 circumnavigated without problems. Pity the owner, Ron Simm, that does not maintain a decent blog (it does not work)

But he said about the boat:
'Crossing the Atlantic single handed was a great challenge and to be honest, I was more than a bit frightened! Would the wide ocean welcome me? Would I have favorable weather conditions? Would I be able to stand the sleepless nights and the rough seas ahead? And finally: would my ship make it?'

Fortunately the weather got better and better during his first couple of days until he finally had what everybody would expect: perfect downwind sailing in the steady north-easterly trade winds. ...

After nine days trouble free downwind sailing things changed dramatically. 'I was only 1500 miles from my destination Antigua, when the wind shifted slightly from NE to E. I couldn’t believe it! What had happened to the trades? Having followed the weather reports daily, I knew that a tropical depression was forming to the far north east of my position and it was disturbing the trades. I had to face a new situation.

The swell from NW grew to 5m, mixing with the still existing easterly swell and producing chaotic seas. To get a better idea of what was happening I called a friend back home on the satellite phone. He fed me with all the relevant weather data he could find on the web. In short the depression had developed into DELTA, a tropical storm, which turned to move towards me!'

The weather was like a washing machine for days, endless squalls, incredible cloud formations, changing winds, gusts over 40 knots, irregular seas of 5m and visibility of less then two miles. Most of the time it was impossible to sleep due to alarms, squalls and beating sails. Nautilus was bashed by waves and rolled so much, 'I really wondered how easily she seemed to handle the situation! What a relief, when at length DELTA made a sharp turn to the east and moved away from me, although the turbulent seas did not subside until the end of the trip.'

Sail-World.com : Bavaria 36 Cruiser Nautilus - World Tour

"Ron Simm from Austria, who is solo circumnavigating on his Bavaria 36, Nautilus is absolutely wrapped with his latest passage from the Galapagos to the Marquesas!

'…… quite constant winds, seas less than 2.5m and not too many squalls. My best 24 hour run was 182 miles....I outpaced many mono hulls and even a catamaran which left at the same time - the mono hulls by as much as 2 - 5 days and the catamaran by 1 day! Nautilus happily planed downwind! I sailed for hours at speeds of 8 to 10 knots with a top speed of 11.6. Other yachties, especially the ones from the catamaran, were quite surprised and frankly - so was I! I had no damage whatsoever, while most other boats had one or another major problem with equipment.' "


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Well, that is not his but one that was mine. I had a Bavaria 36 of that model bought new in 2002, faster then his, with 1.90m of draft a lead keel an bigger mast and more sail area (Ronn Simm's one had 1.6m of draft and an Iron keel). I can confirm that it was a fast boat (very light for a Bavaria). Between Minorca and Sardinia I made also 180nm in 24hours, going at close to 11k sometimes, with my 12 year soon ad the wheel (he did not want to give it back to me LOL). I made about 16000nm on it during 6 years and I sold it on 2008. Except regular inexpensive maintenance never had a problem with it and the new owner, an Italian become a friend and no problems either till now, except with the autoprop propeller.
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Old 03-01-2015, 11:42   #169
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Polux - I thought Bavarias were the "lower end" boats on the European market. And they have teak decks?

BTW - not a bad anchorage for a production boat...

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under power, we motor at 7 to 8 knots, thats over 200 miles per day..


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Must be something wrong with my calculator…

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Mark, 8kts per hour x 24 hours = 192 nautical miles.
When you convert to statue miles it becomes over 200. (211 +/-)
Not sure if this is what Randyonr3 meant.
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Keno, I do admire your anti-Hunter passion...but it's a little misguided. There is no doubt that there is an issue with the rudder in your pics. But there is also no doubt that another Hunter comfortably rode out an F10/11 in the Southern Ocean (click photo for story):



While an Oyster sunk in the same area (click photo for story):



What does this say about Oysters? Nothing really. And that's my point.

Posting pics of a problematic rudder doesn't really mean much in the larger context of this discussion.
Posting these two examples doesn't really mean much either.... the Oyster sank after hitting ice and being holed.
The owners of the Hunter ( which had its share of dramas coming down the west coast of the americas ) aborted their circumnavigation shortly after that photo was taken....took the boat up to Florida, sold it, and now 'sail' the canals of Holland....
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under power, we motor at 7 to 8 knots, thats over 200 miles per day..




Mark, 8kts per hour x 24 hours = 192 nautical miles.
When you convert to statue miles it becomes over 200. (211 +/-)
Not sure if this is what Randyonr3 meant.
sounds like it to me.......
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sounds like it to me.......
Why not convert to kilometers and go even further?

Of course you will get better 'days runs' going west instead of east because you get them 25 hour days instead of those miserly 23 hour ones......
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Why not convert to kilometers and go even further?
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kilometers?! Wash you mouth out sir!
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Posting these two examples doesn't really mean much either.... the Oyster sank after hitting ice and being holded.
The owners of the Hunter ( which had its share of dramas coming down the west coast of the americas ) aborted their circumnavigation shortly after that photo was taken....took the boat up to Florida, sold it, and now 'sail' the canals of Holland....
Yes. That was my point. It's very easy to post photos of problems with boats trying to imply some kind of global issue. But a small number of examples - for ANY boat - doesn't really mean much. And has little bearing on the subject of this thread.

Also, you're right...Micheal and Edi are now on a very cool skutsje in Europe. But he had nothing but very high praise for his Hunter in his explanation of why they chose that different direction.

So it's all good.
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Mark, 8kts per hour x 24 hours = 192 nautical miles.
When you convert to statue miles it becomes over 200. (211 +/-)
Not sure if this is what Randyonr3 meant.
If he did, it was an unusual and uncommon expression for a boating forum, let alone a navigational exercise.

Not important, though. I think he much overstated the ability to avoid bad weather, which is the point I was being too subtle about.

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If he did, it was an unusual and uncommon expression for a boating forum, let alone a navigational exercise.

Not important, though. I think he much overstated the ability to avoid bad weather, which is the point I was being too subtle about.

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It is seen less often in me

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It is seen less often in me

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Look, if you guys want to talk facts about production boats and blue water, I'm all over it. That's what this thread is all about. If you want to keep taking personal shots, I'll have to disengage. Your call.

HELP....'
SMACK....why do you keep the myth of Production Boats vs BlueWater boats going, when you said there was no such thing?

It's like you want this difference so you can then argue about it.....WTF...

As for personal shots....come on....after the personal attacks you posted in the Rebel Hear thread....Amigo....you should back off of crying Wolf....
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