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robert sailor · 03-01-2015, 10:41

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy

You guys keep saying this over and over. If this is true, why do some posters feel the need (even jokingly) to say things like this:

Again, he made it clear it was in jest - but it's also right on. If you have even a cursory look at virtually any sailing forum, you'll see this kind of bias being discussed quite often.

So, yes, there has ALWAYS been a debate. Hopefully, that can now end since we all seem to be in agreement that rated production boats are fine for blue deewater cruising.

There has never been a debate we all know anything that floats has crossed an ocean. If
Hunter owners have a deep streak of insecurity its something they have to deal with but I'm sure there is help they can get.

smackdaddy · 03-01-2015, 10:44

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Originally Posted by Catalysis

We just purchased a 1992 Pacific Seacraft 37 and are in the process of renovating back to new(ish).
We have been very impressed with the build quality and perhaps, as important, the excellent after sales support from Thumper Brooks (Pacific Seacraft's yard manager in North Carolina).
For us the combination of good sailing characteristics and confidence in the builder were high on our list.
Paul and Maureen

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I did some off-shore racing in a PSC 37 that then went on to do a circ. It is a nice boat for sure. Enjoy.

fozrunner · 03-01-2015, 10:44

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Originally Posted by neilpride

Do you realize that production boats are almost all the boats out there, the term production boat make me laugh!!

Yes, but probably referring to boats that are produced in a large yearly volume- perhaps the top ten producers as far as yearly sales go?

smackdaddy · 03-01-2015, 10:45

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Originally Posted by robert sailor

There has never been a debate we all know anything that floats has crossed an ocean. If
Hunter owners have a deep streak of insecurity its something they have to deal with but I'm sure there is help they can get.

Okay Bob - whatever you say.

Kenomac · 03-01-2015, 10:45

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy

Can you provide some examples of these keels falling off and boats breaking apart?So, I'm very interested in your additional examples.

A wet Hunter keel coming off (mine), same honeycomb build quality as the Hunter rudder pictured in the other guys thread. The keel came loose under light normal use, motoring around in San Francisco Bay. How many times do you have to be shown? Jeez... copy them for future reference.

smackdaddy · 03-01-2015, 10:45

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Originally Posted by fozrunner

Yes, but probably referring to boats that are produced in a large yearly volume- perhaps the top ten producers as far as yearly sales go?

Yeah - I think you got it.

smackdaddy · 03-01-2015, 10:48

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Originally Posted by Kenomac

A wet Hunter keel coming off (mine), same honeycomb build quality as the Hunter rudder pictured in the other guys thread. How many times do you have to be shown?

Be shown for what? What exactly are you trying to get me to believe Keno? I'm asking honestly here.

robert sailor · 03-01-2015, 10:51

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy

But this is what's interesting about this argument you keep wanting to engage in Robert...in this particular instance from another thread you insist the photos indicated just "fairing a keel" on that boat - when the guys actually working on the boat used the term "repairs".

Now, I don't know exactly what those repairs entailed. But neither do you. So how can you be so certain it is just fairing in those photos?

And how am I being misleading calling it a repair when they yard guys themselves used this very w

Again, let's just stick to facts. There's no reason to get personal in this stuff.

Cool?

Fairing a boat can be considered by some people as a repair and I guess it is but your interpretation was way over the top. You just couldn't find what you wanted to find so you threw it in as Evidence, another of your over used terms.

neilpride · 03-01-2015, 10:52

Looks like a drug dealers boat, no ofense Keno, but this keel cavities score for that, he he....

JulieMac · 03-01-2015, 10:53

Why is it that all the videos of fair weather fun are shot by people in light duty, production boats? Whereas the Force 8 videos are shot by people on large ships or heavy displacement sailboats?

Is it that the people on the 15,000 or 20,000 lbs. clorox bottles are hunkering down below listening to the groaning of their flexing boats, and praying for their lives??

smackdaddy · 03-01-2015, 10:57

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Originally Posted by JulieMac

Why is it that all the videos of fair weather fun are shot by people in light duty, production boats? Whereas the Force 8 videos are shot by people on large ships or heavy displacement sailboats?

Is it that the people on the 15,000 or 20,000 lbs. clorox bottles are hunkering down below listening to the groaning of their flexing boats, and praying for their lives??

Did you not see the photo(s) above of Sequitur in the F10/11 near Cape Horn? Here's another one of my faves looking toward the bottom through his port sidelight in that same storm:

Freakin' scary.

I definitely don't think I'd be doing ANY photography in such conditions. This dude was a sailing stud. No doubt.

robert sailor · 03-01-2015, 10:59

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Originally Posted by smackdaddy

Did you not see the photo(s) above of Sequitur in the F10/11 near Cape Horn? Here's another one my faves of his looking toward the bottom through his port sidelight in that same storm:

Freakin' scary.

I definitely don't think I'd be doing ANY photography in such conditions. This dude was a sailing stud. No doubt.

Could have taken that picture sailing on a lake!

SV THIRD DAY · 03-01-2015, 11:01

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Originally Posted by fozrunner

Yes, but probably referring to boats that are produced in a large yearly volume- perhaps the top ten producers as far as yearly sales go?

But what would make a production boat produced in greater volume be of less quality than a 1-2/yr "custom" boat?

Production Boat vs Custom Boat is the total BS, well not total BS....it's called Marketing. But will a Honda Civic get to to the same place as a Volvo or Mercedes, or Lexus. Sure if you get in a wreak maybe your chances are better in a Lexus than a Civic, but there are those that would never drive a Honda Civic or sail in a...gasp...."production boat" why....because "Production Boat" is like a Honda Civic to them so they gotta have a "non-production boat" what ever in the hell that means anyway.

robert sailor · 03-01-2015, 11:02

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Originally Posted by Kenomac

A wet Hunter keel coming off (mine), same honeycomb build quality as the Hunter rudder pictured in the other guys thread. The keel came loose under light normal use, motoring around in San Francisco Bay. How many times do you have to be shown? Jeez... copy them for future reference.

Building down to a price my friend, you get what you pay for in life.

KnuckleDragger · 03-01-2015, 11:02

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Originally Posted by Kenomac

A wet Hunter keel coming off (mine), same honeycomb build quality as the Hunter rudder pictured in the other guys thread. The keel came loose under light normal use, motoring around in San Francisco Bay. How many times do you have to be shown? Jeez... copy them for future reference.

How convenient that it "fell off" right onto a pallet...!