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Old 11-09-2013, 12:10   #1
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Prevent the theft of California boating dollars

The California legislature wants to take funds collected from boating taxes, and use them for other things. You can fill out a petition if you like :

BoatUS Government Affairs - Act now to Protect California Boat Tax Dollars
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Old 11-09-2013, 12:15   #2
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Re: Prevent the theft of California boating dollars

This practice of raiding and diverting (plundering??) earmarked funds is the norm not the exception with many states, like Michigan for example.
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Old 11-09-2013, 12:22   #3
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As a general question why should taxes be ring fenced for certain activities from whence the taxes originated. Where the taxes on m1 battle tanks ?

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Old 11-09-2013, 12:27   #4
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Taxes? California? Inconceivable!!!

That is like working in a whorehouse and complaining about having to have sex too much. Some things just go hand and hand. Such is life.
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Old 11-09-2013, 12:34   #5
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Re: Prevent the theft of California boating dollars

FWIW,

We have only ourselves to blame if we do not speak up against that which we feel is wrong.
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Re: Prevent the theft of California boating dollars

Petition signed.
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Old 11-09-2013, 16:47   #7
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Re: Prevent the theft of California boating dollars

Where is the petition to abolish the tax altogether?
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Old 11-09-2013, 16:50   #8
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Re: Prevent the theft of California boating dollars

While none of us like paying taxes, if they go to a good use they are necessary. Boating taxes pay for (or should pay for) improvements to facilities, maintenance (think of all those navaids) and so on.

If you pay no taxes you should expect to get nothing in return.
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Re: Prevent the theft of California boating dollars

California boat owners pay property and sales taxes on their boat. Those taxes go to fund general government operations.

I'd bet you the boating taxes were originally justified as benefiting boaters.
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Re: Prevent the theft of California boating dollars

If they take boating money and use it for disaster relief, as an example, I'm okay with that.
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Re: Prevent the theft of California boating dollars

California Prison Doctors Paid Second-Highest In The Nation

By DON THOMPSON 10/19/12 03:37 PM ET EDT











SACRAMENTO, Calif. A doctor at California Medical Facility was paid more than $410,000 last year, while a registered nurse at High Desert State Prison made nearly $236,000 more than twice the statewide average in both cases.
A pharmacist at Corcoran State Prison was paid more than $196,000, nearly double what is typical across the state.
Compensation for medical providers has soared in the prison system since a federal judge seized control of inmate health care in 2006 and appointed an overseer with the power to hire and set pay levels.
As the official begins to wind down his oversight, the medical hiring and salary increases have helped lead to an improvement in inmate care, but it has increased the bill for taxpayers too.
It has also led to criticism that the official called a receiver provided a "Cadillac" level of care for convicted felons. A state review found that only Texas pays its state prison doctors more that California.
"The problem that we had is that the receiver was not accountable to anybody," said former state Sen. George Runner, a Republican who has frequently criticized the program.
"So the receiver could just do or choose to spend whatever amount of money he thought was necessary to solve his problem, and unfortunately now the state is stuck with that," he said.
The receiver for medical care, J. Clark Kelso, said the state has been free to collectively bargain health care providers' salaries since a court order increasing their wages expired three years ago.
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While none of us like paying taxes, if they go to a good use they are necessary. Boating taxes pay for (or should pay for) improvements to facilities, maintenance (think of all those navaids) and so on.

If you pay no taxes you should expect to get nothing in return.
Actually those things should be paid for by the people using said facilities. As it is municipal marinas already have an unfair regulatory advantage over their private competition.

NavAids should be funded by the commerce department who in turn should get their funding from tariffs and duties on commerce. Not Joe Sixpack out fishing.

Just another example of using the ballot box to take other people's money.
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Re: Prevent the theft of California boating dollars

money that is in th eboating and waterways fund in kali has been being rippd off fo rgeneral fund and roads and other places sice boating and waterways was formed. seems folk s believe the coastal commission , which is prolly grossly overpaid, and is in control of kalis coast--lol---doesnt need money for repairs on boat launch ramps and levees in sacto an other lil items that decay and rot away, or for the cute lil buoys we use to find our way into and out of ports.
it would be a grande idea to leave the money in boating and waterways but they will derail it for another program --is the way of the greed and corruption in our governmental and bureaucratic system.
what monies are in boating and waterways will be stolen by another program even without a ballot, as usual

if they are trying to remove boating money for prisons---the prisoners need to pay some of this burden--big time. they have a free ride and need to contribute to their punishment.
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Regarding the doctor making $410:

Go talk to any doctor friends of yours. Ask them to work, unarmed, in constant direct physical contact with murders, rapists, and child molesters. Tell them they will need to work hard to save people who are guilty of crimes that the physician will feel are morally reprehensible.

He will also need to be on call, not working plush off hours. He will also need to work at a facility that will generally be out in the middle of nowhere and it will not benefit his career advancement like working around groups of other physicians (like in a hospital or larger practice setting).

You'll also need to keep this physician around as they gain institutional knowledge, which you'll only really be able to do by increasing their compensation package.

People hate nuance and the intricacies of reality.
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Old 12-09-2013, 19:00   #15
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i hope all you folks who are speaking of physician fees are also considering that these same physicians must pay out of pocket insurance fees of over 150,000 usd per annum. some even more--depending on specialty. of a 400 usd fee, he pays our more than half on insurance premiums just to stay in business. yes this is mandatory insurance required by ama... gotta love lobbies.
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