Prepping?

[Lake-Effect]

Originally Posted by newhaul

that would be nice but after services today I am instead building a new high tunnel greenhouse so I can grow more food for my family.

Good for you!

It is a proven fact that when food supplies get low for extended periods people ( when desperate to feed their own ) do desperate things.

No doubt. We should probably take steps now to ensure food security for as many as possible, so that we don't have to face desperate starving people. Do you agree?

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by Lake-Effect

Good for you!



No doubt. We should probably take steps now to ensure food security for as many as possible, so that we don't have to face desperate starving people. Do you agree?

yes actually I do agree with you on the point of the need to ensure food supplies .
However if what has been seen happening in the world the in last couple months it is possible that the time of effectively protecting the worlds food supply has past.
( time will tell ) in this one I do hope emphatically that I am not correct.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by chris95040

Did you manufacture that greenhouse on your property? What will you do when a storm destroys it?

Nuts, now theres no one to make a new one. Too bad you spent all your efforts hoarding ephemeral toys rather than maintaining a functioning society.

yes I am manufacturing it on my own property and with commonly available materials.
Due to the design and materials I am using it would be impossible for any storm to irreparably damage it.
Maintaining a functional society? Obviously you have skipped over many rather important posts in this thread.
I suggest a reread would be in order.

[senormechanico]

I'm waiting for the inevitable post of,

"What good will growing your own food in a 'home made, impossible for any storm to irreparably damage it' greenhouse when a volcano eruption forever blacks out the sun?"

Come on people, where's your imagination?

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by senormechanico

I'm waiting for the inevitable post of,

"What good will growing your own food in a 'home made, impossible for any storm to irreparably damage it' greenhouse when a volcano eruption forever blacks out the sun?"

Come on people, where's your imagination?

first I didn't say it couldn't be damaged I just stated that any damage sustained could be repaired within a reasonable timeframe.
Secondly what VEI of eruption are you referring to?
A VEI 6 will cause cooling for 2 to 5 years . Such as the eruption of Mt Pinatubo in 1991
A VEI 7 or larger can have rather more serious effects.
Here is the chart
Volcanic Explosivity Index (VEI)
Senormechanico just for information that would be of relevance to you and me Mt saint Helens was a VEI 5

[john61ct]

The whole supply chain for modern civilization is incredibly fragile and almost 100% international.

If it collapses 80-95% of the population will be reduced to animalistic starving hordes very quickly.

Not a world worth surviving in, IMO silver bullet solution is the only one worth "getting prepped" for.

[GordMay]

Originally Posted by newhaul

that would be nice but after services today I am instead building a new high tunnel greenhouse so I can grow more food for my family...

Quonset or Gothic or ... ?

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by GordMay

Quonset or Gothic or ... ?

quonset style using pvc pipe for the hoops over a wooden frame. Also for now using 2 layers of 5mil clear plastic. Which will be changed out with lexan as time and funds permit.

Also considering the possibility of small geodome structures to cover my potato towers as needed.
The high tunnel will be a rather small one at 10ft. X. 16ft
And geodomes will likely be really small as in about a 6ft diameter half dome.
At these sizes I can place them in several different areas on our small plot of land. ( .96 acre)

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by john61ct

The whole supply chain for modern civilization is incredibly fragile and almost 100% international.

If it collapses 80-95% of the population will be reduced to animalistic starving hordes very quickly.

Not a world worth surviving in, IMO silver bullet solution is the only one worth "getting prepped" for.

your preaching to the choir my friend. Just in time delivery will be the downfall.
Just look at whole foods . That is where we are headed as the sun goes into a solar minimum.
Already over half the days this year had no sunspots. That's not a good sign.

[chris95040]

Originally Posted by newhaul

quonset style using pvc pipe for the hoops over a wooden frame. Also for now using 2 layers of 5mil clear plastic. Which will be changed out with lexan as time and funds permit.



Also considering the possibility of small geodome structures to cover my potato towers as needed.

The high tunnel will be a rather small one at 10ft. X. 16ft

And geodomes will likely be really small as in about a 6ft diameter half dome.

At these sizes I can place them in several different areas on our small plot of land. ( .96 acre)

I forgot, who is manufacturing PVC pipe and 5ml plastic sheet in our post apocalyptic fantasy?

Or will yours last forever, and your family and needs will never grow?

[emoji849]

[Delancey]

From a January 29th Drug Topics article -

"The shock waves from Hurricane Maria, which barreled into Puerto Rico in September 2017, are still shaking the pharmaceutical supply chain. Puerto Rico is the home to more than 90 pharmaceutical manufacturing sites, and Maria caused shortages of drugs and medical products in the United States, notably intravenous bags of saline...

...Although FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, MD, stated that there were 30 “critical” products made on Puerto Rico, 14 of which were made only there, but the FDA would not release a list of those products. The agency says that the list is proprietary...

....“We really need to have those discussion, because it's kind of a ticking time bomb,” says Hill. “If another big one hits and the island isn't already back to where it was pre-Hurricane Maria, you could have an even worse situation.”

Months Later, Drug Shortages Still a Problem | Drug Topics

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by chris95040

I forgot, who is manufacturing PVC pipe and 5ml plastic sheet in our post apocalyptic fantasy?

Or will yours last forever, and your family and needs will never grow?

[emoji849]

a few things
First I have enough materials to build approx. 20 units of this size.
Secondly the pvc can easily be replaced by a wooden structure.

Lastly its not a post apocalyptic fantasy.
It is called being prepared for major disruptions in the current infrastructure .
Don't know where you get the apocalypse issue from any of my posts.
Its actually called being prepared.

[406Columbia]

Originally Posted by newhaul

a few things
First I have enough materials to build approx. 20 units of this size.
Secondly the pvc can easily be replaced by a wooden structure.

Lastly its not a post apocalyptic fantasy.
It is called being prepared for major disruptions in the current infrastructure .
Don't know where you get the apocalypse issue from any of my posts.
Its actually called being prepared.

Some people continue to suffer from normalcy bias. We cannot change this in the emergency management field, which is why so much tax payer money is spent on top down mitigation and preparation. It's a real shame and the whole system is full of waste, but oh well.

We can continue to prepare for our family and immediate group of like minded folks.

[newhaul]

Originally Posted by 406Columbia

Some people continue to suffer from normalcy bias. We cannot change this in the emergency management field, which is why so much tax payer money is spent on top down mitigation and preparation. It's a real shame and the whole system is full of waste, but oh well.

We can continue to prepare for our family and immediate group of like minded folks.

preaching to the choir again I have a DES number that is in the low 4 didgets .
( now days they call it a DEM number). Taught alpine survival and avalanche rescue procedures back in my youth.

[Robert Tilbury]

I have a problem with the Australian fuel system , we have stopped All refining ,, i know it sounds stupid we have enough oil in BASS STRAIGHT to last 1000 years but the do gooder greens have halted production so we purchase refined petroleum products from over seas ,
We have a 9 day buffer , if the tankers stop we stop !

I worked in the petrochemical industry , In Sydney we had Kurnell and Clyde refinery`s

They are gone ,,,

So lets say if China or indonisia wanted to invade Australia , they can stop fuel delivery`s we are stuffed !