Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 15-11-2019, 09:47   #1
Registered User
 
Larry Miranda's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Nazare Portugal
Posts: 38
Portugal Sailors (Iberian Peninsula)

Hi I am new here and was wondering how many Portugal based sailors are on here?


I am starting to look for a small boat. Something that I could trailer I am in the center of Portugal. Online I do not see very much available. This winter my plan was to visit areas and marinas to look for some options.



This is a search for something small 15-23ft. i am hoping for a small cabin. At first I was looking for only 22-26ft but now I am thinking something smaller may be great to get me going again and easy on the wallet to start.
I see on apollo duck uk a westerly nimrod that really seems to be perfect for what I am looking for right now. I could even tow with my car instead of my truck! but...



https://yachts.apolloduck.com/boat/w...-nimrod/584092



Problem is to get it here I would be spending about 3,000 euros in total. I would get what I see in my head but think if I made my price range in that Ball park it would give me a starting pricepoint to look here in Portugal.


I do see motorboats that fit the price but not any luck with small sailboats that can trailer. I am not looking for a perfect boat that needs no work, would be nice, I am hoping for a fixer upper that is in decent condition.



I guess my question is does anyone see any boats with for sale signs on them at their marina or within their boating sphere?
Driving to the algarve is not a problem neither is up north. I would even consider Spain and France if I knew it was worth the trip to see some good choices.



Thanks in advance any advice or comments is much appreciated!
__________________

Larry Miranda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-11-2019, 09:54   #2
Senior Cruiser
 
atoll's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: gettin naughty on the beach in cornwall
Boat: 63 custom alloy sloop,macwester26,prout snowgoose 37 elite catamaran!
Posts: 10,113
Images: 75
Re: Portugal Sailors (Iberian Peninsula)

here you go! ideal for tidal waters where it can be beached easily.
https://www.wharram.com/site/news/2014/mana24
__________________

__________________
my catamaran building project updates https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...ft-103739.html
atoll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-11-2019, 10:45   #3
Registered User
 
Larry Miranda's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Nazare Portugal
Posts: 38
Re: Portugal Sailors (Iberian Peninsula)

I have considered this idea of building a boat. my question is if /when you build a boat that is small what happens with registering and the rest? is it like a car that you need to do a ton of things to be road legal? or and now this is my novice here speaking what boats are exempt from all that? is it the motor that causes the rules or...
I will read about the mana 24 maybe get some inspiration. I have a place to build something and tools a plenty
Larry Miranda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-11-2019, 11:53   #4
Senior Cruiser
 
atoll's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: gettin naughty on the beach in cornwall
Boat: 63 custom alloy sloop,macwester26,prout snowgoose 37 elite catamaran!
Posts: 10,113
Images: 75
Re: Portugal Sailors (Iberian Peninsula)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Miranda View Post
I have considered this idea of building a boat. my question is if /when you build a boat that is small what happens with registering and the rest? is it like a car that you need to do a ton of things to be road legal? or and now this is my novice here speaking what boats are exempt from all that? is it the motor that causes the rules or...
I will read about the mana 24 maybe get some inspiration. I have a place to build something and tools a plenty
it would depend on what country you registered the boat in or on local regulations if registered in portugal.

the eu has some regulations on buoyancy,stability,length and engine size that relate to which catagory it falls into .
professionally built boats are required to be CE marked if for sale to the public etc.

might be worth checking out a local sailing club in your area members are generally friendly and keen sailors ,those that i have met in portugal.
__________________
my catamaran building project updates https://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...ft-103739.html
atoll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-11-2019, 14:19   #5
Registered User
 
Larry Miranda's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Nazare Portugal
Posts: 38
Re: Portugal Sailors (Iberian Peninsula)

I like the idea of building something but after a few years constant work on a property here in Portugal I will probably not go that route this time around. I like the link you sent reminded me of some boats plans I researched years ago before I did this project in Portugal.


I think a small boat that just needs some work will be the way I go now. really looking for something simple that I can enjoy now.



The nimrod caught my eye, small simple gets into shallow water easy manage. I like the westerlys they have many boats on the market at a good price. so after a few years I could see my self looking at those like a centaur. I see them for @5-7,000 regularly. That would be something I move up to after I have a year or 2 regular sailing done on a small one.



I am not set on a model or make just on simple sailor with a cabin.
Just starting my research but if I see something good I am ready to go for it. I have seen some trailers(no boat) around not bad prices some further than other but again I do not mind traveling if I need to.
Larry Miranda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 15-11-2019, 17:51   #6
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: W Carib
Boat: Wildcat 35, Hobie 33
Posts: 11,387
Re: Portugal Sailors (Iberian Peninsula)

Both boatman61 & stingo are Portugal based CF members.
belizesailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-11-2019, 03:23   #7
cruiser

Join Date: May 2017
Location: Scotland
Posts: 862
Re: Portugal Sailors (Iberian Peninsula)

you dont have to build your own warram , why not buy one ??
Cherod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-11-2019, 09:47   #8
Registered User

Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 36
Send a message via MSN to geoff3nebel Send a message via Skype™ to geoff3nebel
Re: Portugal Sailors (Iberian Peninsula)

The nimrod is a fine little pocket sailer. The one you’ve seen is in N Ireland and, as you say, will cost a lot to trail to Portugal. If you’re looking for shoal draught boats, keep looking in the UK because 10-1 they’re much cheaper there than in mainland Europe. Why not go for something a little bigger - say, up to 26’ - there are plenty for under 2000€ - and sail it to Portugal? A series of coastal hops is easily do-able.
geoff3nebel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-11-2019, 16:18   #9
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 25
Re: Portugal Sailors (Iberian Peninsula)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Larry Miranda View Post
Hi I am new here and was wondering how many Portugal based sailors are on here?


I am starting to look for a small boat. Something that I could trailer I am in the center of Portugal. Online I do not see very much available. This winter my plan was to visit areas and marinas to look for some options.



This is a search for something small 15-23ft. i am hoping for a small cabin. At first I was looking for only 22-26ft but now I am thinking something smaller may be great to get me going again and easy on the wallet to start.
I see on apollo duck uk a westerly nimrod that really seems to be perfect for what I am looking for right now. I could even tow with my car instead of my truck! but...



https://yachts.apolloduck.com/boat/w...-nimrod/584092



Problem is to get it here I would be spending about 3,000 euros in total. I would get what I see in my head but think if I made my price range in that Ball park it would give me a starting pricepoint to look here in Portugal.


I do see motorboats that fit the price but not any luck with small sailboats that can trailer. I am not looking for a perfect boat that needs no work, would be nice, I am hoping for a fixer upper that is in decent condition.



I guess my question is does anyone see any boats with for sale signs on them at their marina or within their boating sphere?
Driving to the algarve is not a problem neither is up north. I would even consider Spain and France if I knew it was worth the trip to see some good choices.



Thanks in advance any advice or comments is much appreciated!
Maybe you should consider a small trimaran. There are several available with fold up outrigger hulls for trailer transport. You wouldn't need to be too concerned with draft limitations for coastal cruising and most of these feature a small cabin, usually with a small head (which beats a porta potty in rougher seas) and are far more stable that a 22' monohull. You'd want to stick to the GRP models as the older plywood models are beginnning to have structural problems. The con is they might be out of your budget and they're not that user friendly when it comes to getting them back on the trailer - apparently not something you'd want to do on a daily basis. But they do tend to have easily droppable masts which may be a consideration if you find yourself dealing with a lot of bridges on your route.
joelhemington is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-11-2019, 16:58   #10
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 25
Re: Portugal Sailors (Iberian Peninsula)

Quote:
Originally Posted by joelhemington View Post
Maybe you should consider a small trimaran. There are several available with fold up outrigger hulls for trailer transport. You wouldn't need to be too concerned with draft limitations for coastal cruising and most of these feature a small cabin, usually with a small head (which beats a porta potty in rougher seas) and are far more stable that a 22' monohull. You'd want to stick to the GRP models as the older plywood models are beginnning to have structural problems. The con is they might be out of your budget and they're not that user friendly when it comes to getting them back on the trailer - apparently not something you'd want to do on a daily basis. But they do tend to have easily droppable masts which may be a consideration if you find yourself dealing with a lot of bridges on your route.
Here's one in England (which is rare as there boats were built in California). It's a bit more money but far newer than the onr you're looking at.
https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/200...dard%20listing
joelhemington is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-11-2019, 17:19   #11
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Portugal
Posts: 16
Re: Portugal Sailors (Iberian Peninsula)

Hi. I’m from Portugal, too
Yes, it is very difficult to find what you’re looking for in Portugal.
I eventually found something similar, a Rocca Super Chausey (French) with some modifications made by the previous owner, near Lisbon.
I have searched extensively for something like the kind of boat I think you’re looking for, so I built a sort of a collection of links to boats that might be suitable, I’ll try to post them tomorrow - I’m on the ipad and not sure if/how I can export the links all together from a bookmarks folder...

I was considering at the time buying one from France. They have a much bigger market of these small trailer sailers.
Check here for example:
https://www.paruvendu.fr/bateau-nautisme/
The ones they call “peche-promenade” are usually small, with small cabins, trailerable and cheap.
If you have some question, shoot, I’ll help if I can
ptrailsail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-11-2019, 19:02   #12
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 24,312
Images: 2
pirate Re: Portugal Sailors (Iberian Peninsula)

Uk is your best bet.. bring it from Plymouth or Portsmouth on the Santander ferry..
https://m.apolloduck.com/boat/prelude-19/464879
https://m.apolloduck.com/boat/pedro-17/582097
__________________


Born To Be Wild.. Click on the picture.
boatman61 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 17-11-2019, 09:20   #13
Registered User
 
Larry Miranda's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Nazare Portugal
Posts: 38
Re: Portugal Sailors (Iberian Peninsula)

Hey Thanks for all the input! much appreciated. I have considered at the start to get a bigger boat and sail it to Portugal. Now i am kind of focused on smaller on a trailer easy to travel and load. My thoughts are if I get this type first I could have it on the property for future use 4 anyone to use when they come. Also if it is small enough I could use my car to take it loads on places inland or do a few day road trip to places that would take me weeks/months to get to in Europe. My history is long haul trips in Canada and NA on land buses, trucks RV's Cars all of em, many years. I have towed many trailers in the past for work so it is not that big an issue for me.



The trimaran style I like but if it is a constant struggle for new people to get it right for loading - it would defeat the purpose of what I am thinking longterm for the boat.


I have been seeing Spain and France boats even Germany and Swiss ads have caught my eye. If it has a roadworthy trailer I get interested fast!


I do agree with Boatman61 the Uk keeps my attention reg. The Santander ferry goes to UK? I checked it out for the new route to Cork Ireland. Was pretty excited when that one came out. If Santander gets me to the UK it opens up alot of options. I even considered driving the whole way but the Ferry seems like a better choice with a new purchase. If I go far I will make this a vacation/purchase trip.



I will check out the links everyone sent and keep my mind open to all the possibilities and options. All the input is great!



Ptrail sail where are you in Portugal? I appreciate your offer the search terms really help "peche-promenade" stuff like that really helps when searching other countries/languages. all a learning curve but when you figure out some common terms searches get easier. any others could help if anyone can think of some
Thanks all!
Larry Miranda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-11-2019, 10:05   #14
Registered User
 
Larry Miranda's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Nazare Portugal
Posts: 38
Re: Portugal Sailors (Iberian Peninsula)

Quote:
Originally Posted by boatman61 View Post
Uk is your best bet.. bring it from Plymouth or Portsmouth on the Santander ferry..
https://m.apolloduck.com/boat/prelude-19/464879
https://m.apolloduck.com/boat/pedro-17/582097



These 2 boats are very much what I am looking for. The Pedro is cool for a 17 t seems very well laid out, almost big! I did see these ads before but since I have limited knowledge on the makes its great to see someone with skills and knowledge say they are good choices. Thanks Phil



I did call the one in Northern Ireland the other day about the nimrod he has many interesting priced boats. with Brexit looming makes u think a business of selling small sailboats might be an idea for Portugal. Maybe I am sunday rainy day dreaming but who knows.

Now its just looking for personal use and lending to visitors
Larry Miranda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-11-2019, 14:30   #15
Registered User
 
Larry Miranda's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Nazare Portugal
Posts: 38
Re: Portugal Sailors (Iberian Peninsula)

Hey Geoff, I hear you on the boats, i am looking at a bunch...just curious out of 36 posts and a member since 2009... what made you post on this thread? no worries just wondering if you are in Portugal or wanting to come here....either way cool that you posted your thoughts if you are looking to come here I can help you with good traditional visit to thus area. Not a sales pitch. I live here love to tell people about it

Luckily my entry has been very pleasant with all the locals, very cool history in this area.


Vasco Da Gama used to pray in Nazare before his travels!

There is a monument by the church in the sitio commemorating his presence.
I figure I will pray there b4 my trips gleam some luck...lol
__________________

Larry Miranda is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
Portugal, sail

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
For Sale: C-MAP NT+ chart for Iberian Peninsula inc. Azores & Madeira rockerdar Classifieds Archive 0 11-12-2014 15:46
Delmarva peninsula circumnavigation Bijimini Sailor Logs & Cruising Plans 14 30-01-2013 14:22
Delmarva Peninsula Circumnavigation - Advice ? gnelson Atlantic & the Caribbean 35 31-08-2012 13:30
Anchoring Out - PNW/ Seattle or Peninsula stalphyr Liveaboard's Forum 3 18-06-2009 22:11

Advertise Here


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 19:09.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
×

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.