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Old 11-07-2010, 09:30   #76
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I would not fund an idea with no firm plans either.

It would be nice if some world organization funded a few ships whose sole purpose was to troll for trash.
If I promise to make stops in some ports that have good recycling facilities, I think I can live with funding my cruise by having bags of scooped up trash on my decks...
Off to write a grant proposal!
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- - Remember the big push years ago to do away with paper grocery bags and use your own "canvas bag" carrier? Now they do not use paper grocery bags but instead use the film plastic bags by the billions. And they are so thin they need to use two per bag of groceries. Virtually all of those end up "blowing in the wind" towards the nearest water.
Good news! Trend setting California is beginning to ban the plastic bags and go back to the easily recycled paper, and offering discounts for BYOB folks (bring your own bag)

it has been amazing in San Francisco how over the last say 2 years the use of canvas bags has ballooned. In lines at the grocery store often everyone has their bags with them.

And Ikea no longer offers bags at all. bring your own or buy one.
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Isn't there some sort of material similar to the plastic in shopping bags that biodegrades? I remember there being such a thing but forgot what it is called. I think it was starch based or something like that.
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yep. cornstarch based.
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Been there - done that.

In 2000 on a delivery from Oahu to the PNW we spend a couple of days powering through the Pacific. At one point I was convinced that ahead was a boat throwing foot-square pieces of plastic overboard. I also saw engine oil bottles and a glass fishing float.

The powering through the high came to an abrupt end when we hit a a small piece of fishing net which wrapped itself around the prop and shaft, taking out the transmission. Light air sailing became the norm.

I am doing another delivery at the end of the month from Maui to Vancouver. I think I will keep a lot of fingers crossed.
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I personally don't have an issue with the flimsy plastic bags as they are easily recycled. I recycle 100% of the plastic bags I get from the grocery stores. The fact that other people just disgard them is an issue. When on the boat I use plastic garbage bags to store my trash until it can be disposed of ashore. I suppose that this makes me an evil person in some people's eyes. So far I haven't been away from civilization long enough that this has become a major problem, but at some point I'll be forced to find some other way of disposing of the minimal trash I try to make on the boat.

There are now plastics made of soy and corn starch that biodegrades or is soluble in water. Many car makers are now using soy based plastics in wiring insulation. The only problem is that animals like to eat the stuff. I have a friend that has had wiring harnesses on two cars eaten by squirrels. I think that biodegradable plastic are great for short term use stuff, but I would not want my plastic boat made of it.
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Perhaps a little more study will reveal a way.
Perhaps you could look a little harder.
Let me google that for you
About 15,900,000 results

With all those there should not be a problem once their done.
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Many car makers are now using soy based plastics in wiring insulation. The only problem is that animals like to eat the stuff. I have a friend that has had wiring harnesses on two cars eaten by squirrels.
ugh. been there, bought the wiring harness...
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ugh. been there, bought the wiring harness...
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. . . When on the boat I use plastic garbage bags to store my trash until it can be disposed of ashore. I suppose that this makes me an evil person in some people's eyes. . . .
Actually that is the one positive thing about the flimsy plastic bags. They make great trash storage bags onboard and retain liquids and can be tied pretty tightly closed to keep out flying insects. And empty they can be compacted and stored in a very small area.

- - Recycling is great - but - North America has about 340 million people all tolled and maybe half of them are concerned and a quarter actually do recycle. That leaves almost 6 billion people in other countries that have no concept of recycling and their countries have no facilities nor an interest in re-cycling.
- - That in no way should stop those who do recycle and live in countries that have the re-cycling facilities because these people will have and be able to enjoy their beaches, parks and public areas that trash-free especially when compared to places that do not do the same thing. As somebody who travels the world it is noticed and really appreciated to see "clean" public areas.
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I would not fund an idea with no firm plans either.

It would be nice if some world organization funded a few ships whose sole purpose was to troll for trash.
Does this meet your definition?

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Re: Plastics Pollution in Our Oceans . . .

“... It began with banning plastic straws from their stores, but now U.K. food retailer Iceland Foods is vowing to ban all plastic packaging from their own-brand products by 2023.

Iceland Foods is the first global retailer vowing to go plastic-free ...”

http://about.iceland.co.uk/wp-conten...-16.1.18-1.pdf

“WASTED”, a CBC “Day 6" series about garbage and what we do with it.

“WASTED” Part 5 ➥ U.K. food retailer vows to be the world's first to go plastic-free - Home | Day 6 | CBC Radio

Part 1 ➥ 'Wasted': Greening the plastics-heavy toy industry - Home | Day 6 | CBC Radio
Part 2 ➥ 'Wasted': What happens when China no longer wants our trash? - Home | Day 6 | CBC Radio
Part 3 ➥ 'Wasted': Why recycling isn't enough when it comes to e-waste - Home | Day 6 | CBC Radio
Part 4 ➥ 'Wasted': How thrift shops are helping your wallet and the environment - Home | Day 6 | CBC Radio
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“... It began with banning plastic straws from their stores, but now U.K. food retailer Iceland Foods is vowing to ban all plastic packaging from their own-brand products by 2023.

Iceland Foods is the first global retailer vowing to go plastic-free ...”

http://about.iceland.co.uk/wp-conten...-16.1.18-1.pdf

“WASTED”, a CBC “Day 6" series about garbage and what we do with it.

“WASTED” Part 5 ➥ U.K. food retailer vows to be the world's first to go plastic-free - Home | Day 6 | CBC Radio

Part 1 ➥ 'Wasted': Greening the plastics-heavy toy industry - Home | Day 6 | CBC Radio
Part 2 ➥ 'Wasted': What happens when China no longer wants our trash? - Home | Day 6 | CBC Radio
Part 3 ➥ 'Wasted': Why recycling isn't enough when it comes to e-waste - Home | Day 6 | CBC Radio
Part 4 ➥ 'Wasted': How thrift shops are helping your wallet and the environment - Home | Day 6 | CBC Radio
GO ICELAND!!!!!!
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Re: Plastics Pollution in Our Oceans . . .

Posted in BBC today.... Plastic pollution: Scientists' plea on threat to ocean giantshttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-42920383
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