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Old 13-12-2014, 14:08   #31
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Re: Perceived versus actual seaworthy-ness

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Per Merriam-Webster - Seaworthy : fit or safe for a sea voyage.
Have any of you heard of a Puddle Duck Racer? They are sailboats that are made from 3 sheets of plywood by the owner and are raced in several places in North America. One of the races is a 300 mile race in Florida from Tampa Bay to Key Largo 300 miles. Trying to get people to agree on what is seaworthy is not possible. Check the sites below.
Puddle Duck Racer - Easiest Sailboat to Build and Race
Duckworks - A Puddle Duck and the Everglades Challenge
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Old 13-12-2014, 19:45   #32
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Re: Perceived versus actual seaworthy-ness

This thread is kinda interesting...kinda. A boat for it's intended purpose and it's all relative and a da dada da...
Sea- a place outside of the bays and ICW and off coast.
Worthy- can preform it's function there.
There... its not that relative and intended purpose is pretty exact. If it can sail safety, consistently off shore it is seaworthy.
I got a cruiser that had already circumnavigated. It had come back after crossing the oceans. If you can do that with your Catalina 22 pop top/MacGregor 26 hybrid then it is seaworthy.
Or at least you are.
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Re: Perceived versus actual seaworthy-ness

I agree there is a lot of grey in "seaworthy". But I don't agree it is a people oriented thing. It's a physical "boat" oriented thing.
For example: A skipper with 100,000 sea miles under his belt does not make sailing an El Toro he intends to sail around Cape Horn any more seaworthy.
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Old 15-12-2014, 10:43   #34
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The most well found ship is unseaworthy if the crew is incompetent.
A captain running a cruise ship into a coral head did not make the boat unseaworthy it makes him a stupid captain and the coral made the boat after it hit it unseawothy. Seaworthy strictly means a boat is able to go to sea. At the time of departure it might have been, after going into a storm, that may make it no longer. It's based on the current environment, condition the boat is in when asked.

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Re: Perceived versus actual seaworthy-ness

sea·wor·thy
\ˈsē-ˌwər-thē\adjective

: fit or safe to travel on the sea

So now the argument is what is fit or safe..



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Old 15-12-2014, 13:27   #36
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Seaworthy strictly means a boat is able to go to sea.
...and in the eyes of the law - at least where it involves big ships- that includes having a competent crew.


"For seaworthiness, section 39(4) of the English Marine Insurance Act 1906 provides that 'A ship is deemed to be seaworthy when she is reasonably fit in all respects to encounter the ordinary perils of the seas of the adventure insured'. "

A ship is not 'reasonably fit in all respects ' if she does not have a competent crew.

that came from here... https://www.linkedin.com/groups/What...15245813092356

Re the 'El Toro' post above... I'm sure that an 'El Toro' -whatever that maybe - could round the Horn with a competent crew... they do it in kayaks...doubling the Horn... now that would be a different matter.
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...and in the eyes of the law - at least where it involves big ships- that includes having a competent crew.


"For seaworthiness, section 39(4) of the English Marine Insurance Act 1906 provides that 'A ship is deemed to be seaworthy when she is reasonably fit in all respects to encounter the ordinary perils of the seas of the adventure insured'. "

A ship is not 'reasonably fit in all respects ' if she does not have a competent crew.

that came from here... https://www.linkedin.com/groups/What...15245813092356

Re the 'El Toro' post above... I'm sure that an 'El Toro' -whatever that maybe - could round the Horn with a competent crew... they do it in kayaks...doubling the Horn... now that would be a different matter.
Well good! We can finally end this thread... anything is seaworthy with an accomplished Captain!
ps: El Toro attached....
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Well good! We can finally end this thread... anything is seaworthy with an accomplished Captain!
ps: El Toro attached....
No, not at all... its just another factor in the seaworthiness equation.....

That El Toro looks perfectly seaworthy to me if used for its intended purpose by a competent person.
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Based on issuance companies not wanting to pay out that may be in the act of what ever but a captain dose not make a ship seaworthy. Though he may save a ship that should not be there. . Imo...
Based on that the Titanic was not a seaworthy ship because the captain sunk it lol.

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Re: Perceived versus actual seaworthy-ness

True enough... a competent skipper won't make an unsafe ship safe but on the other hand an incompetent skipper can make an otherwise seaworthy ship unseaworthy.
Don't underestimate the power of insurance companies when it comes to defining the meaning of words.
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Re: Perceived versus actual seaworthy-ness

Some of you are over thinking this or playing lawyer/insurance company games of assigning blame.

The intrinsic seaworthiness of a vessel had nothing to do with crew.

It is an evaluation on the vessel's ability to maintain positive bouancy in ANY kind of weather and wave height/direction, without the interaction of the crew

For example.... a sealed empty wine bottle ....has been proven to be seaworthy.
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Oh that could be fun coming up with items that are sea worthy

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Oh that could be fun coming up with items that are sea worthy

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A ping-pong ball? A polystyrene packaging 'bean'? A jandle?
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But I wouldn't want to sail any of them.
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