Originally Posted by sailingfarmer
There was a certain disdain throughout European history for the Spanish or Portuguese... some didn't even consider them truly European. Since Iberia was raped by the Moors for 800 years and the Moors were only stopped moving north by the Franks (French) once they crossed the Pyrenees.... Iberia was cut off from the rest of Europe
for centuries culturally and genetically.
One of the reasons the new Spanish monarchy pushed the "Conquistadores" into the New World was that they felt uncomfortable with these ruthless killers remaining behind with no new Pure Moorish enemies to fight. Like the hired gunslingers with a badge cleaning
up the Western towns in America... what did you do with them when the crime problem was solved
...? With 800 years of the rape of Spain
... the genes were more Arabic/Semitic or African than European... especially in the south of Iberia. So maybe the first true Europeans to colonize America were the English. If so then Jamestown, Virginia was the first European colony... Controversial? Yes.
What a post!!!!!!!
Iberia raped by Moors? Ruthless killers? Crime problem?
You need do learn history. Both Portugal
and Spain are proud of its Muslim heritage. It seems you don't know that Cordoba, Seville and Toledo were among the more civilized cities in the world, when they were Muslim cities.
Quite incredibly you seem not to be aware that the Greek Roman tradition, that is the basis of our culture, was saved by the Muslims and that were them that recovered and translated the old classic knowledge that had been forbidden and lost
by the Catholic church. Without Muslims probably there would not have been a Renaissance or it would have happened much later.
Not to mention that old knowledge was increased substantially by the Muslims in domains like medicine and mathematics.
Besides you seem also to ignore that the Muslims never occupied all Iberia and the kingdom of Asturias, where the remains of the Visigothic defeated kingdom congregated was never conquered and that from there soon more Christian kingdoms were born, among them Leon, Aragon, Navarra, Castilla and Portugal
. And that those kingdoms were continuously enriched with noblemen from several French regions that come to fight and to colonise lands that were recovered from the Muslims.
Iberia cutted from the rest of Europe? Portugal is the oldest European country with the same borders. As a County it is a 1000 years old and as a fully independent country is almost 900 years old.
Both Portugal and Spain were the two first European countries to expand themselves worldwide as empires, the Portuguese a more Maritime and commercial
one, the Spanish more linked to colonization and doctrination (to catholicism) of the new discovered lands.
It seems also that you don't know that Spain owned a part of Italy
, part of France
, what is today Belgium and part of Holland
"There was a certain disdain throughout European history for the Spanish or Portuguese... some didn't even consider them truly European....Iberia was cut off from the rest of Europe for centuries culturally and genetically.
I guess you are American, not meant as an offense, but any European would know better about European history and would not have such a ridiculous vision of European history. I guess that even most Americans would know better.