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Old 20-07-2017, 12:48   #1
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NZ putting America's cup on the right track

It will be again a Cup between Nations, the boats will have to be built on the country of the participant and all the sailors have to be nationals of that country.

I had said on some forum that it should be like that long ago. It is good to see that somebody agrees with me LOL.
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So NZ wins for the next 10 years at least.
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July 14, 2017 – Auckland, New Zealand

During the latter stages of the recently completed 35th America’s Cup in Bermuda, the question wasn't whether Emirates Team New Zealand was going to beat Oracle Team USA — they thrashed them 7-1 — but what boats and format the Kiwis would elect to use in the 36th Match. After all, the winner gets to choose the boat and make the rules for next the America’s Cup, and the Kiwis were the only team that hadn’t signed an agreement to continue with the current style.


Will we see the 'Flying Cats' in the 36th America's Cup? A source tells Latitude . . . Yes! But a monohull component may also be added, which may include foils!

Confidential sources at the highest levels of Emirates Team New Zealand in Auckland told Latitude that the victorious Kiwis — represented by the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron, along with the Challenger of Record Circolo della Vela Sicilia, which represents the Luna Rossa Challenge — have come up with a brave new format that intends to "right a lot of wrongs." Among the stunning new details:

1) The Cup will not be contested in monohulls or multihulls, but both! That's right, each race will consist of two segments: A multihull portion, probably in foiling cats similar to those used in the last Cup, and a segment using box rule 70-footers. Some rumors suggest that the monohulls might adopt foils, too.

Right now the theorists are working out which would be the best way to combine the two components. Should the monohull or multihull segment be first? And should a team’s lead after the first segment be carried over to the second in real time or later?

Initially, there was discussion that after finishing the first segment, one team member from each syndicate would have to swim/run to the second boat before it could start, like a relay. Now the thinking is that would be a ridiculous spectacle (maybe a little too 'beach regatta') and that all boats should start the second segment together — because the starts are so exciting — and each trailing boat would try to win by a big enough margin to overcome its deficit from the first segment. Wild, no?

The current thinking is that the monohull segment will be first, because it’s much easier to make up big deficits in high-speed multihulls. It will also introduce all-new defensive tactics to be used by the leader.

2) There will finally be a real nationality rule. Sailors won’t be able to sail on a country's boat unless they are actually from that country. And rules will be put in place to prevent sailors from becoming citizens of any given country just for purposes of the Cup. This will likely lead to countries' adopting stricter immigration rules in general, something that has of course been a hot-button issue in global politics lately. Hopefully the America's Cup will not add too much additional strain to an already contentious issue. Sailors will naturally be able to sail around any walls built on land.

The thinking behind stricter nationality rules is that it will boost national interest — as with the Olympics. "But this rule is probably a little unfair," acknowledged Latitude's source, "because it pretty much means the Kiwis will have a stranglehold on the Cup for decades."

3) And an age rule! At least 20% of the crew on each boat will have to be under 23 years of age. It's hoped this will attract more members of the Red Bull generation, and hopefully utilize their impressive social media followings to generate Millennial interest. The 'youth rule' will also insure that there will always be new blood with each successive Cup. "The America's Cup has historically been replete with the same old names," said our source, "and that’s boring compared to new young buff guys."

With their 'bicycle power', the Kiwis were dominant. Will the next Cup see even more radical innovation?

4) Curiously, despite the proposed return of nationality rules, airline sponsors are excluded, which will allow Team New Zealand to keep its relationship with Emirates. It is our understanding there are new relationships forming with the possible entry of Aeroflot Team USA, Turkish Airways Team France, Air China Team Italy and Icelandair Team Bahamas.

5) Given the immense popularity of fleet racing, more of that is to be incorporated in the next Cup, although our source says the details haven't been worked out. "The current keepers of the Cup realize that we need to give viewers what they want to see." It was apparent that bicyclists were a great addition, so the next Cup will require each team to add a tennis player, roller derby competitor and a sportfisherman with best catch contributing to overall points.

6) AC progressives will be happy to know that despite the possible return of monohulls, the pursuit of superior technology will remain at the forefront of the competition. A major factor will be to complete the trend of fewer sailors on the boats, and have the team view the spectacle from the syndicate's technology center as they watch their autonomous AC boats race the course without any actual sailors or humans on board. Google, Tesla and Uber are looking at autonomous sponsorship opportunities. Luddites who have been lamenting the lack of sailors on the foredeck, sail changes or spinnaker jibes may finally be able to let go, put their devices down and just get back to enjoying their weekends sailing.

We at Latitude like a lot of the new rules, but we worry that the two-boat feature might be too expensive for many countries. And as far as we're concerned, any America's Cup without the participation of the Aussies, Kiwis, Danes, Dutch, Burkina Fasoese, Germans, Spanish, Indonesians, Chinese and Japanese is simply a Faux Cup*.

That said, the 36th America’s Cup — no doubt to be held in New Zealand — is going to be very interesting. Don't you agree?

*Speaking of a Faux Cup ... this is a faux article. #FakeNews
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It would be more interesting if NZ bring back the rule that all challengers have to sail their boats to the competition.
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It would be nice if they at least had a resemblance to sailboats, as opposed to the pedal powered, iPad controlled monstrosities they are currently racing. How much more divorced from reality will these contraptions become?
I would like to see a 55-60' monohull, with an uphill/downhill/reaching course. Nothing more entertaining than a botched chute while rounding a mark.
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This sounds like much nationalism and not much sailing (or social) development.

I'd rather see the boats taken one step further than another bunch of race obsessed people waving their flags.

Even if the flag could be the most beautiful one (in the Southern Hemisphere).

As much as I am happy for the Kiwis to have won the cup, I am most unhappy to see where they want to take it.

Or do we want Italian drivers driving the Ferraris in Formula 1 and only French in Renault? And next step will be only Slovenians allowed to ski or sail Elans, Germans sailing the Bavarias and the Chinese-only Hallberg Rassy owners club (ooopppsss SAAARRYYYYY Swedes - it is just Volvos, for now).

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NO NO and NO.

It should be all about development: best boats, best sailors, best events.



Some people want to be all black. But I am of the rainbow flag generation of sailors. I do not care if you are all white or all black. As long as are all fast.

The news is a bummer to all racing fraternity.

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It would be nice if they at least had a resemblance to sailboats, as opposed to the pedal powered, iPad controlled monstrosities they are currently racing. How much more divorced from reality will these contraptions become?

I would like to see a 55-60' monohull, with an uphill/downhill/reaching course. Nothing more entertaining than a botched chute while rounding a mark.


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It will be again a Cup between Nations, the boats will have to be built on the country of the participant and all the sailors have to be nationals of that country.

I had said on some forum that it should be like that long ago. It is good to see that somebody agrees with me LOL.
Grant Dalton said in an interview a couple of weeks ago, that the majority of the crew would have to be nationals, not all.��
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It would be nice if they at least had a resemblance to sailboats, as opposed to the pedal powered, iPad controlled monstrosities they are currently racing. How much more divorced from reality will these contraptions become?
I would like to see a 55-60' monohull, with an uphill/downhill/reaching course. Nothing more entertaining than a botched chute while rounding a mark.
I dare you to go back and watch the full video of one of the IACC era races. They were incredibly uninteresting. Sometimes no lead changes for an hour, and the most interesting thing that happens is a port boat sucesfully crossing... hours of tedium preceded by three minutes watching boats try to stay head to wind without backing up too fast.
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I dare you to go back and watch the full video of one of the IACC era races. They were incredibly uninteresting. Sometimes no lead changes for an hour, and the most interesting thing that happens is a port boat sucesfully crossing... hours of tedium preceded by three minutes watching boats try to stay head to wind without backing up too fast.
Total agreement here, Greg! These new AC boats provide the only sailboat racing that is actually interesting to watch. Yacht racing is way down on the list of spectator sports in my book... fun to do, boring to watch!

The fact that the AC boats don't look like "real" sailboats is irrelevant IMO... who cares? I can see "real" sailboats racing looking out my portlights most evenings in many anchorages around Australia. I don't often bother to look, because it is boring!

So, I too will be interested in what the Kiwi's come up with for the next go-round. I'm pretty sure no full keel ketches will be involved...

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Total agreement here, Greg! These new AC boats provide the only sailboat racing that is actually interesting to watch. Yacht racing is way down on the list of spectator sports in my book... fun to do, boring to watch!

The fact that the AC boats don't look like "real" sailboats is irrelevant IMO... who cares? I can see "real" sailboats racing looking out my portlights most evenings in many anchorages around Australia. I don't often bother to look, because it is boring!

So, I too will be interested in what the Kiwi's come up with for the next go-round. I'm pretty sure no full keel ketches will be involved...

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my issue is with the format.
I'd like to see the length of the courses extended
and the start time increased to 15 minutes
Races should be at least an hour just like F1
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At the end of the day, it will be the Major Sponsors who decide the next format, not the Kiwis.

NZ's economy needs this to work and with the location being so remote, the cost/benefit to key Sponsers is already marginal.

If NZ decides to make it a Circus based on socialistic and purist ideals..... the sponsors will ignore it in favour of the more populated
regattas in the Northern Hemisphere where they can get more bang for the buck.

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I like the Nationality rule.
Two types of boats? It's already too expensive.
Age rule? I dont get that one but I think it's BS. Then add you must have some over 60 and 50% women also.
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foiling kite boards

fast and athletic
great fun to watch
inexpensive
no huge Auckland space needs for cranes, etc.
It is the digital 21st century, size and mass are 'out'

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fast and athletic
great fun to watch
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no huge Auckland space needs for cranes, etc.
It is the digital 21st century, size and mass are 'out'

Yes, and do it in groups so it's like RollerDerby! Nudging OK!
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