Now I understand how poor i am.

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by JFN

No cause or effect here - people making a living wage is good for everyone and the community - no evidence to the contrary. Even Henry Ford knew he had to pay his employees enough so they could buy his cars. Sorry for going off topic.

You can't live on $15/hr....so why not $20/hr and make it a real living wage.
Be careful how you answer...it may contradict your so called "logic"

[rwidman]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

Where were you during this last recession? People who made a living wage lost everything...their house, their savings...basically their lives. Many ended up working for close to minimum wage while their jobs went overseas due to your fat-cats that you obviously support.......................

Pretty impressive post, but BS just the same.

You want to know why jobs went overseas? I'll tell you. Government regulations and red tape as well as government and union meddling with wages have made it too expensive to manufacture things in the USA.

It's not about "fat cats", it's just what I posted. Raise the minimum wage and all other wages go up, production gets more expensive and more jobs go overseas or are eliminated by automation.

Put your thinking cap on.

[JFN]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

You can't live on $15/hr....so why not $20/hr and make it a real living wage.
Be careful how you answer...it may contradict your so called "logic"

So you're arguing against a higher minimum wage because it won't be high enough anyway? I don't know how to make things perfect either, but I think we have a way to make things a lot better for a lot of people.

[SV THIRD DAY]

No....I didn't say I was against a minimum wage...your assumptions do you in and betray your logic.

You are deciding what wage is a good living wage and you stopped at $15/hr...why? $25 would be a real living wage so why don't you really advocate for a living wage rather than just poverty at $15/hr? If we are going to "Fix it' why not just FIX it...right?

[Matt Johnson]

Originally Posted by mikemenza

Blaming million dollar water front property on the minimum wage..

Of course, the minimum wage bought those properties. Just not for the minimum wage earner.

[JFN]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

No....I didn't say I was against a minimum wage...your assumptions do you in and betray your logic.

You are deciding what wage is a good living wage and you stopped at $15/hr...why? $25 would be a real living wage so why don't you really advocate for a living wage rather than just poverty at $15/hr? If we are going to "Fix it' why not just FIX it...right?

If you go back and review the thread you will see that the only quantification I believe I referred to was a living wage. What that is could be impacted by lots of regional,etc. considerations but not sure why you'd oppose it. Someone working 40 hours a week for a wage they can live on, food, rent, dignity - what's wrong with that picture?

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by JFN

If you go back and review the thread you will see that the only quantification I believe I referred to was a living wage. What that is could be impacted by lots of regional,etc. considerations but not sure why you'd oppose it. Someone working 40 hours a week for a wage they can live on, food, rent, dignity - what's wrong with that picture?

I never said or implied I was against a living wage.

You said a living wage was needed...I said $15/hr is still in poverty and asked you why you don't support a REAL living wage?

So now, lets try this again.
Why can't we have a REAL living wage of $25/hr?
Why are you for keeping people in poverty with only a slave $15/hr wage that is impossible to raise a family on? You can't even afford a Donald Trump made in China Tie on $15/hr...it's a lie/scam...

So if the $15 wage is a scam that you still can't live on...what is the real reason some politicians are pushing it?
Ta-da...Government Tax Revenue...pay roll taxes my friends.
The 14% of your paycheck the working poor never see that goes to support the game.

[JFN]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Notice if you will the complete inability to read and comprehend.
Diverting the argument to ME isn't the issue mi amigo...but it's a nice debate tactic. I never said or implied I was against a living wage.

You said a living wage was needed...I said $15/hr is still in poverty and asked you why you don't support a REAL living wage?

So now, lets try this again.
Why can't we have a REAL living wage of $25/hr?
Why are you for keeping people in poverty with only a slave $15/hr wage that is impossible to raise a family on? You can't even afford a Donald Trump made in China Tie on $15/hr...it's a lie/scam...

Yeah, still seems like the same argument. Don't do what may be possible right now even if it helps literally millions because we can't get the minimum wage to a place where it will support some single income family middle class lifestyle? I'm sorry, I'm obviously missing your point. Enjoy the evening.

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by JFN

I'm obviously missing your point. Enjoy the evening.

Yes....but that IS my point....

[spraygun]

If we pay the $15 an hour.Will the fast food worker finally get our order right?


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[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by spraygun

If we pay the $15 an hour.Will the fast food worker finally get our order right?

We will never know because the cost of labor will dive corporate fast food to use ordering touch screens, apps, and robots. The mom and pop fast food places won't be able to compete with the large capital cost outlays and will fold to the larger nation-wide chains and the evil income inequality will grow despite the helping Government promising to make it better.

When it comes to Economics, those who don't understand it, are bound to be hurt by it. How did that Yacht Luxury tax thing work out? Them darn even 1%-ers...go getum...opps wait...All Americans are Global 1%-ers...yikes....go Donald...bring back those jobs Americans won't do. But what happens when Americans then can't afford the American made Tie vs the made in China tie? Solution...get a job where you don't need a Tie or that $5 Starbucks coffee.

[captlloyd]

Originally Posted by mikemenza

Blaming million dollar water front property on the minimum wage..

Of course, the minimum wage bought those properties. Just not for the minimum wage earner.

Thanks for bringing a reality-check to the conversation.

[spraygun]

What cracks me up is fast food workers on TV protesting.Trying to raise 5 kids on their wages.How about not having 5 kids until you get a real job.Wait, thats all they know.The minimum wage in my day was to bring youth into the workforce ,and teach them a little something until they finish school.I don't feel sorry for people on min wage in general.Should have made better decisions.

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[captlloyd]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

Where were you during this last recession? People who made a living wage lost everything...their house, their savings...basically their lives. Many ended up working for close to minimum wage while their jobs went overseas due to your fat-cats that you obviously support. I just retired as a Toolmaker. I barely got out alive, turned off the light and locked the door, since all those jobs are gone too. A Machinist who made $30@hr. in 1985 is now offered $17@hr.
If you pull your head out of the sand a moment you can figure out that the cost of living has gone up 5 fold since the early 80's. In reality at $15 an hour, it's still under par. But let me guess...you have a comfy retirement from the military.

And you are the second person on this thread that I thank for a reality-check.

[captlloyd]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

I never said or implied I was against a living wage.

You said a living wage was needed...I said $15/hr is still in poverty and asked you why you don't support a REAL living wage?

So now, lets try this again.
Why can't we have a REAL living wage of $25/hr?
Why are you for keeping people in poverty with only a slave $15/hr wage that is impossible to raise a family on? You can't even afford a Donald Trump made in China Tie on $15/hr...it's a lie/scam...

So if the $15 wage is a scam that you still can't live on...what is the real reason some politicians are pushing it?
Ta-da...Government Tax Revenue...pay roll taxes my friends.
The 14% of your paycheck the working poor never see that goes to support the game.

Wow, your logic totally escapes me. Yes, I agree, more than $15.00 an hour would be better. But the working poor can't even get that. Any increase is gradually going to have be worked in. There is a certain element in this country who believe that entry level jobs like McDonalds deserve minimum wage. McDonalds is not an entry level job. The average worker age at McDonalds is something like 35. It is middle-class America who are subsidizing fat-cat ultra-rich families like the Wal-Mart family through well-fare and other government relief programs.