Now I understand how poor i am.

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by jackdale

Bingo!

Jack Jack jack...you don't disappoint me after the beating you took in the MMGWC thread...but I forgive you, after all, you are a true believer.

[adoxograph]

Originally Posted by daletournier

...I'm sure neither Ann Rand or a Bernie Sanders type would try to align themselves with Hitler or Stalin. Things aren't as neat and tidy as we would like them to be...

Precisely. I think there are not many politicians on this planet who want to be associated with those two. I also think only the totalitarian policies of those and other regimes left and right caused the problems and not where they mainly would be found on today's political scale.

[adoxograph]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

You nailed it...but...that Box is also part of the game.
If you can get your political adversary trapped and painted into a corner of the box by defining him with talking points, negative attack ads, and personal attacks...you win. The right does it with by trying to label everyone a "liberal" and the left does this with the classic "Racist" or as we have seen in this thread, the "you better not identify as being right of center or you are close to Hitler". These labels and games worked on a wide percentage of the populous. But the game is changing as more and more people figure it out....some just slower than others.

It's not what people call each other what counts. Thats just plain old and very cheap politics used to win elections. And it does not really matter as I have to see an honest honorable politician first. I honestly don't care about political correctness.

There are clear definition what is considered left or right and those are not the boxes people like to shelf each other or themselves in.

But as Goldberg (yes the one you quoted) writes: People love to define each other in those categories and if you don't like what the next guy thinks call him a communist or a nazi and look for similarities in order to discredit him. You will find at least 5% similarities and if you stick to those 5% ignoring everything else you will prove your point. It only is evidence that most people are easily manipulated in believing anything without knowing much.

However all of that does not change the fact that the policies of any administration in any country at any time defines where it stands on the left to right scale.

(Oh man I should know by know that one cannot reason with SV THIRD DAY )

[daletournier]

Originally Posted by adoxograph

I honestly do not know what you are talking about here. It's not what people call each other what counts. There are clear definition what is considered left or right and those are not the boxes people like to shelf each other or themselves in.

But as Goldberg (yes the one you quoted) writes: Americans love to define each other in those categories and if you don't like what the next guy thinks call him a communist or a nazi and look for similarities in order to discredit him. You will find at least 5% similarities and if you stick to those 5% ignoring everything else you will prove your point. It only is evidence that most people are easily manipulated in believing anything without knowing much.

That does not change the fact that the policies of any administration in any country definewhere it stands on the left to right scale.

(Oh man I should know by know that one can not reason with SV THIRD DAY )

I think you just agreed with Third day? There is definayely a political correct prejudice that occurs, eg. If I voted for George Bush what would you think of me? ( im Australian )

I don't believe left and right are as easily identifiable as claimed, there are varying shades of grey. Ideals evolve and adapt to the social and economic landscape of the day, compromises get made on both sides and philosophies gradually change.

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[adoxograph]

Originally Posted by daletournier

I think you just agreed with Third day? There is definayely a political correct prejudice that occurs, eg. If I voted for George Bush what would you think of me? ( im Australian )

I don't believe left and right are as easily identifiable as claimed, there are varying shades of grey. Ideals evolve and adapt to the social and economic landscape of the day, compromises get made on both sides and philosophies gradually change.

Yes I did. I think he and I have more in common than differences. But he somehow stuck in a mental loop refusing to have a discussion.

I'm in Noosa Heads. And I would not care who you voted for. If you would have voted for Bush I think you would have done it because you saw his policies as the most appealing. The same if you would have voted for Gore. I definitely would not hold it against you. For me it is important who you are and not who you vote for.

But don't ask me what I think of President Mission Accomplished if you are not prepared to get an earful.

I have to admit in the 2nd of July election here in Australia there is not much of a choice. I really don't know yet who gets my vote. The LNP candidate for Wide Bay replacing Warren Truss is an corrupt ex-cop and the ALP candidate is more green than the Green candidate. I know only of the LNP one because his wrongdoings as a cop were spread in the Queensland media. I have never heard of the other two before nor do I know what they stand for.

To the definition of left-right I want to quote:

The left–right political spectrum is a system of classifying political positions, ideologies, and parties. Left-wing politics and right-wing politics are often presented as opposed, although a particular individual or group may take a left-wing stance on one matter and a right-wing stance on another. In France, where the terms originated, the Left has been called "the party of movement" and the Right "the party of order."The intermediate stance is called centrism and a person with such a position is a moderate.

Amongst published researchers, there is agreement that the Left includes anarchists, communists, socialists, progressives, anti-capitalists, anti-imperialists, anti-racists, democratic socialists, greens, left-libertarians, social democrats, and social liberals.

Researchers have also said that the Right includes fascists, racists, Nazis, capitalists, conservatives, monarchists, nationalists, neoconservatives, neoliberals, reactionaries, imperialists, right-libertarians, social authoritarians, religious fundamentalists, and traditionalists.

But I agree. Most political parties are dancing around in the middle. And then we are surprised if some more right wing ideals get in power in Europe.

But I think this time in Australia ALP and LNP at least are trying to present themselves on a different political spectrum.

However the raise of Trump shows that the average population is massively fed up with professional politicians. It seems they have enough.

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by adoxograph

But he somehow stuck in a mental loop refusing to have a discussion..

No...I'm just choosing to not have a discussion with you.
Why...because that drives you crazy.
Mission Accomplished, as Old Bushie once said.

Ed, you were right by the way.
I owe you lunch now.

[adoxograph]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

No...I just refuse to have a discussion with YOU.

Too late my friend. Too late. I was born crazy!

So we are not friends anymore?

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by adoxograph

So we are not friends anymore?

Of course we are...you just have to pass the test.
So far you are on level 2...keep going and you could make it.

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by daletournier

eg. If I voted for George Bush what would you think of me? ( im Australian )

He had NO "positions" and he stole an election. And then look what he did: from a world that supported us to everything that stemmed from his disastrous invasion of Iraq, which had nothing to do with 911.

A true jerk.

Right wing: another war is always good.

I shoulda put my money in Haliburton stock.

[adoxograph]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

Of course we are...you just have to pass the test.
So far you are on level 2...keep going and you could make it.

Unfortunately I have to go. It was fun so far, but this is enough procrastination for today. Back to work for me

[SV THIRD DAY]

Originally Posted by Stu Jackson

He had NO "positions" and he stole an election. And then look what he did: from a world that supported us to everything that stemmed from his disastrous invasion of Iraq, which had nothing to do with 911.

A true jerk.

Right wing: another war is always good.

I shoulda put my money in Haliburton stock.

Hey Stu...
Lets dig into this myth a little bit.
How exactly did BushCo Steal the election.
Now I hated the bozo, but my not liking him doesn't mean I get to rewrite history. He won the State of Florida and the EC despite losing the popular vote. Not sure how you call that stealing anything?

Help me out here.

[unclemack]

Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY

'Brexit' could trigger World War Three, warns David Cameron - Mirror Online

Interesting how when the left is under threat, they scream about the threat of World War. Funny to watch really.

As for our good friend Adox...please...you will have to do better than that to try and paint today's political right as an heir to Hitler's fascism. The left has worked hard to earn that mantle and would be offended if you so easily took it from them.

Har, Har, Har, got to love the internet

From what idiot's guide to politics did you get the idea that Cameron was a Lefty?
Wouldn't have been the Mirror - it's a tabloid comic staffed by tabloid hacks but they know who Cameron is.

Or maybe you meant to imply that Betty Trunt herself is too much of a Lefty for your taste? Hmm?

When you (interminably, by the way) try to claim Science as your authority do you simply forget to stick the word "Christian" in front of it?

I ask because the last time I encountered this level of fact-dodging, mind-numbingly refractory gullibility it was in discussion with some Krishnas whose heads I spent a friendly half-hour adjusting at Heathrow years ago.

Probably wouldn't bother today. Dumb is close to universal and may turn out to be irreversible.
Hooray for your side. You win. Yay.


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[daletournier]

Originally Posted by Stu Jackson

He had NO "positions" and he stole an election. And then look what he did: from a world that supported us to everything that stemmed from his disastrous invasion of Iraq, which had nothing to do with 911.

A true jerk.

Right wing: another war is always good.

I shoulda put my money in Haliburton stock.

I can't and don't vote in the US.......my point is, depending on place and time people want to throw rocks at you if you attach yourself to the not so political correct ,most unpopular dude on the block, you are judged and attacked , even if it is unconsciously, and this effects the political system. Bringing up the name "Hitler"and connecting it in anyway to the"right wing"of politics tarnishes the perception of right wing politics.
My memory of Bush is standing on a aircraft carrier saying"we kicked ass"
My memory of Clinton is Monica...lol.

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[SV THIRD DAY]

The only "win" here my friend seems to be the ugly hate a good humored joking-around thread seemed to bring out of you with your religious bigotry on display for all to see. For that, I am truly sorry for you. Win...no, it seems to be a big loss for civility and the Cruisers Forum family.

[alansmith]

Time to kill this thread. I started it by stating how poor I felt after seeing 30 million dollar yachts in front of 100 million dollar estates. The one thing I never understand is how intelligent people get to mud slinging. My daddy always said it ain't what u say that is important, it is how u say it. We can always disagree with another's stance without making it a personal attack.

I think it is very interesting to listen to other people's point of views. Seek to understand another persons point of view. Seek not to judge them.