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Old 08-05-2016, 17:51   #331
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'Brexit' could trigger World War Three, warns David Cameron - Mirror Online

Interesting how when the left is under threat, they scream about the threat of World War. Funny to watch really.

As for our good friend Adox...please...you will have to do better than that to try and paint today's political right as an heir to Hitler's fascism. The left has worked hard to earn that mantle and would be offended if you so easily took it from them.
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'Brexit' could trigger World War Three, warns David Cameron - Mirror Online

Interesting how when the left is under threat, they scream about the threat of World War. Funny to watch really.

As for our good friend Adox, I do enjoy the personal attacks, it's what the left does.
Now you think I'm left? How did you reach this conclusion? And where did I attack you? I just asked questions because I wanted to have a kind of academic discussion with a well educated person like you. But you did not answer a single question and deflected instead. What does that say about you?
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It says I know not to debate a fool, or people won't know who is who.
Intelligent questions get answered, others ignored.

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Hospitals have been doing that (or a version of it) for years. I think the blame for the pharmaceutical phiasco we all enjoy (here in the USA) can be blamed on the FDA; you know, the same ones who don't want us to buy foreign drugs at reasonable prices.
Wow, a tad of revisionist history there. It's Congress, NOT the FDA that made that dumb move, under some Prez named GWB, IIRC.
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It says I know not to debate a fool, or people won't know who is who.
Intelligent questions get answered, others ignored.

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Yes I do enjoy this. I gave you a list of Hitlers right oriented policies and asked you to provide examples of his left wing policies. Everyone with half a brain would consider this an intelligent debate and a reasonable request. You know maybe I can learn from you.

So again would you please provide examples of Hitlers left wing stance based on his policies?

I also would offer references to books and journal international leading historians and political scientist analysing Hitlers political orientation, but I doubt that you would accept any science based argument either and I doubt you would have access to a well sorted university library.

But I agree it does not make sense to discuss any of this with you.
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...everyone with half a brain would consider this an intelligent debate...

Well let me know when you find your other half and we can continue.

Now take the bait...don't let it go....jiggle...jiggle...the worm.
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Well let me know when you find your other half and we can continue.
Your arguments are just brilliant very intellectual and very academic. I like your style of not discussing the arguments. Just brilliant

Bravo!

PS: I guess You do not want the list of peer reviewed literature I offered?

PPS: I just saw you edit. Now I understand you are an internet troll. It's fun to feed you. Do you want a list of peer reviewed literature of the psychological profile of internet trolls?
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I would not give 10c for what one Cameron says. He has been found to lie before.

It will be a shame if the Brits go. Their boats in the Med and elsewhere will now undergo a non-EU set of rules. Cruising wise they will lose and the Med world and all other boat host countries will lose (the business) as well.

I do not even start to think about the consequences for property business in warm EU countries.

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Seems to me the obvious solution to the bathroom conundrum is to make all bathrooms asexual.

It would bring Mars and Venus much closer with the realty that everyone's sh*t.... stinks!

People often forget that you can use ALL your senses, to gain perspective.
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A book to help educate our friend that thinks Hitler wasn't a National Socialist.

https://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fasci...indle-redirect
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Is it possibly to assign or pidgeon hole Hitler to any side of politics? I think he was quite unique, he did wipe out socialist parties but he wiped anyone who was in opposition! What side of the political areana would Ghengis Khan fall into?

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Is it possibly to assign or pidgeon hole Hitler to any side of politics? I think he was quite unique, he did wipe out socialist parties but he wiped anyone who was in opposition! What side of the political areana would Ghengis Khan fall into?
I think you nailed it, but what some attempt to do is play the "Hitler Card" in an attempt to discredit or attack politically today. If you can get someone, a group, a party, a movement, etc painted with the "Hitler Brush" bingo...you are able to beat them without having to really have a debate on the merits or ideas. It's how the game is played with the Race Card. Just call someone or a position racist, and you silence people because no one wants to be called a racist these days.
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Historians and political scientists put Fascism and Nazis on the right side of the political spectrum.

Any one arguing the term Socialist put them on the left would also have to accept that the Democratic Republic of Korea is both a democracy and a republic.

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A book to help educate our friend that thinks Hitler wasn't a National Socialist.

https://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Fasci...indle-redirect
Did you read it? (just asking) I did and Goldberg lists exactly the policies I mentioned and classifies them as right. But he looks at Hitler from a todays American point of view and forgets that the German constitution was still the one from the Weimaer Republic.

Actually I liked the book because Goldberg tries to see a perspective other historians did not consider. I have to say Goldberg's point that the fascist label has been used by some US liberals to defame almost anything they don't like is absolutely valid. But his contention that American conservatism has no connection or similarity to European fascism - even if some American conservatives were not especially alarmed by Hitlerian racism is already debatable. He is calling US liberals "nice fascists" that in my opinion goes a little bit to far.

And then again his arguments are rather based on opinion leaving out historical and political facts, which do not support his ideas. I would not call Goldberg's "Liberal Fascism", even though it is a very interesting read, scientific. It is more opinion based news oriented semantic based on the US political landscape.

I have to admit that I am not an expert in the American political landscape. I lack the knowledge to compare today's conservatives with the far right in Hitlers Germany. And I never would do this anyway.

But that is not the point here. You have to assess whether Hitlers Germany was left or right not on a comparison with today's US politics. That approach is prone to fail.

Look at the definition of left wing policies and right wing policies as a reference point. You will see that about 90% of Nazi Germany's policies were right-wing oriented.

This does not disqualify right wing policies! As I said before any form of extremism is bad and the combination of fascism with extreme right wing policies is an especially destructive mixture.

Thank you for entering a real debate. I think both of us can have some fun discussing this very interesting subject. I'm always keen to learn what others think and why!
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Historians and political scientists put Fascism and Nazis on the right side of the political spectrum.

Any one arguing the term Socialist put them on the left would also have to accept that the Democratic Republic of Korea is both a democracy and a republic.
Kind of like the Consensus of Scientists and 97% Myth?

There is always a game for terminology but there is no doubt that the Socialists and Communists and Fascist have a commonality in the Power of the State above personal freedom and Liberty. We see that in the fascist right AND Left. Who writes the History books can spin it how they want...but Tyranny exists equally on the left and right. Just ask the MMGWC.
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