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Old 29-07-2013, 22:27   #1
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Need Advice on Boat I Bought in Georgian Bay

New to this forum, from Ottawa, Hi! all :-), To make a long story short, i just bought a sailboat in the Georgian bay in Wiarton Ontario, started sailing last year, after owning powerboats since late teens and im 39 now, last year i bought a tanzer 14 for the cottage to give it a try and fell in love with sailing after 40 seconds and knew right away that i would pass my next 20 or 30 years on one.. i learned by trial and error myself
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Old 29-07-2013, 22:35   #2
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New to this forum, from Ottawa, Hi! all :-), To make a long story short, i just bought a sailboat in the Georgian bay in Wiarton Ontario, started sailing last year, after owning powerboats since late teens and im 39 now, last year i bought a tanzer 14 for the cottage to give it a try and fell in love with sailing after 40 seconds and knew right away that i would pass my next 20 or 30 years on one.. i learned by trial and error myself, this summer i bought a 22 foot edel 665 keel boat and after 2 months i think i'm ready to go bigger(have 5 kids) so i did a crazy thing and bought a beneteau first 37.5, survey is tomorrow 7 hours of driving away and then i have to sail it down here in ottawa... lol is it to big of a trip and boat for my level of experience to do such a big trip with a unknown boat lol?
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Old 29-07-2013, 23:11   #3
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Shouldn't you have surveyed it BEFORE you bought it? If you were going to survey it anyways, it could have saved you a bundle on the wrong boat...

Oh, and welcome to the forum! You'll find lots of helpful advice and knowledgeable people aboard, some even own sailboats!
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Survey is tomorrow but offer was accepted, if survey is bad i will adjust the price or walk away.
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Ohhhh ok lol the way I read it it sounded like you already forked over the cash. Good luck a.nd hope shes everything you dream she'll be
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New to this forum, from Ottawa, Hi! all :-), To make a long story short, i just bought a sailboat in the Georgian bay in Wiarton Ontario, started sailing last year, after owning powerboats since late teens and im 39 now, last year i bought a tanzer 14 for the cottage to give it a try and fell in love with sailing after 40 seconds and knew right away that i would pass my next 20 or 30 years on one.. i learned by trial and error myself, this summer i bought a 22 foot edel 665 keel boat and after 2 months i think i'm ready to go bigger(have 5 kids) so i did a crazy thing and bought a beneteau first 37.5, survey is tomorrow 7 hours of driving away and then i have to sail it down here in ottawa... lol is it to big of a trip and boat for my level of experience to do such a big trip with a unknown boat lol?

Howdy, Welcome to CF (I lurked here for years before signing in, great place).
We used to vacation on Georgian Bay, at Killarney (kinfolk) a long time ago.

I'm going to go with a large dose of caution for you.
You sound very enthusiastic, but having almost no sailing, seamanship or navigation skills. You ask if it is too much of an undertaking given your experience level, I'd give a tentative 'affirmative' to that. You really should get some qualified help.

If I understand you, you are going to buy a 38', aprx 9 ton/18000#, 6.5' draft, around 60' tall Beneteau sailboat (nice boat, but emphasis on 'sailboat', not a "turn the key and go" powerboat).
You have to transport it from Wiarton, ONT to near Ottawa (I didn't know there was much sailing around there; BTW, I have ancestors from Quyon, QUE just upriver).

Going the long way, it's roughly 1100 miles over storm prone and shoal riddled difficult waters in an unproven, untested vessel. A minimum of two weeks (I would guess a month). Up around the Tobemory, down the devil Lake Huron, the St. Clair River and Lake, Detroit River, the length of Lake Erie, Welland, and Lake Ontario, and a big chunk of the St. Lawrence, whew!
You could take the Trent-Severn Waterway and cut it in half, cross Georgian to Port Severn, the T-SW, Lake Ontario and the StL.; down to about 550 miles; much of it sheltered, but slow passagemaking.

Assuming you will take the family along (I don't recommend a first-time delivery that way), you must give some serious thought to the hazards and potential problems involved, even if you don't take the family and go with some buddies.

You really should sea trial the boat for a week at least (after/if you buy it) to prove it, and yourself, out a bit. It is likely to require some repairs and/or upgrades. There is a lot of info on these CF pages, but it takes time and practice to absorb it all.
Then there is provisioning, nav equipment, charts, reservations, paperwork (look over the T-SW website), etc., etc.
Making generous 'Murphy's Law' allowances, this could easily take you one or two months+ of intense activity and stress (that's about the whole season up there, eh? Sorry, we go year-round here, but for them danged hurricanes).

I'm sure others will chime in, I'm not trying to harsh your mellow, just urging a whole heap of caution and planning for safety's sake.
It's an immense undertaking for a neophyte. Some of your powerboating skills will transfer over, but it is a very different world with keel, sails and mast.
I hope it works out, but please use caution. Buena Suerte...

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Wikipedia entry: Trent

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New to this forum, from Ottawa, Hi! all :-), To make a long story short, i just bought a sailboat in the Georgian bay in Wiarton Ontario, started sailing last year, after owning powerboats since late teens and im 39 now, last year i bought a tanzer 14 for the cottage to give it a try and fell in love with sailing after 40 seconds and knew right away that i would pass my next 20 or 30 years on one.. i learned by trial and error myself, this summer i bought a 22 foot edel 665 keel boat and after 2 months i think i'm ready to go bigger(have 5 kids) so i did a crazy thing and bought a beneteau first 37.5, survey is tomorrow 7 hours of driving away and then i have to sail it down here in ottawa... lol is it to big of a trip and boat for my level of experience to do such a big trip with a unknown boat lol?

Do you have a highly experienced friend you can take with you? I'm concerned about your plan because 2 months on a 22' boat isn't IMO enough time for *anyone* to learn what they need to know about sailing *and navigating* a much bigger boat. Just for starters, shallow water in a storm can do a whole lotta damage to a bigger boat. Five kids and a wife isn't "crew."

I don't see that you are likely to have the skills to plan this trip safely. I think you need at least two very experienced friends -- maybe three, because as we were saying in another thread, you are in a position right now where you don't know where the gaps in your knowledge are, and they could be in really important areas. What DO you do if you get caught in a big storm in shallow water? Do you know?

Well, you'll need a different plan for each spot of your trip. That's one very big problem.

Do you know how to read a chart? Do you know how to read the weather reports? Because those are the two big things in charge of your boat -- not you, and not even skilled friends.

Do you have all the spare parts you need for your engine? Deep enough pockets to buy more if you need them? The ability to diagnose that engine and make the needed repairs? Do you have a working knowledge of how a diesel engine runs? Are you getting an engine survey as well as a boat survey?

Because -- the less experience you have sailing a boat of that size, the more important the reliability of your engine becomes, and ... I'm sorry but you just don't know that.

You need to figure out how your boat motors best in a storm. It isn't just a matter of taking down all the sails and turning the motor on because the boat is *designed* to have sails up at least to some degree. You may find that it motors better with, say, a small amount of headsail. You may have to adjust the sails all the way through a storm, even motoring.

These are things you are going to learn gradually, over time. I'm new enough to sailing to still be very aware of the learning curve involved with all of this.

What do you need to do, immediately, if a stay or shroud gives way -- do you know?

I think you should hire a professional captain to move this boat for you. Find one that loves to teach, and go along.
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Greetings and welcome aboard the CF, Marcb.
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...and then i have to sail it down here in ottawa... lol is it to big of a trip and boat for my level of experience to do such a big trip with a unknown boat lol?
You better off keeping the boat in Kingston. You can have it in Ottawa but without the mast, and not sure what the control depth is in the river.
In summary you remove the mast, put it on deck, come down the Trent canal, step the mast in Trenton and sail to Kingston. Piece of cake. But you will need an experienced hand to assist you. Or truck it over - much quicker.
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You better off keeping the boat in Kingston. You can have it in Ottawa but without the mast, and not sure what the control depth is in the river.
In summary you remove the mast, put it on deck, come down the Trent canal, step the mast in Trenton and sail to Kingston. Piece of cake. But you will need an experienced hand to assist you. Or truck it over - much quicker.

Excellent advice. Keep the boat in Kingston. As for the Trent, think you'll have to go around as the draft of the 37.6 is too deep for the canal. I would truck it to Kingston unless you have a lot of time and a few friends willing to do the trip around.
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Hi:

We purchased a 32 foot boat in Penetanguishene last fall. I had ideas of buying a boat from afar and sailing home with an experienced person or two.

I regret plenty of things about my large boat experience so far, but trucking it home is not one of them. $1400 sounds like a lot of money until one considers the lock fees would have been somewhere around $500. There would be fuel and feeding of crew etc. etc. Doubt I could have sailed home for under 3 or 4 thousand and that is if nothing really bad happened.

The other thing I don't regret is that the only sailing thus far on the 32 footer is in my daydreaming in the back yard. We had boat number 2 out a few weekends ago, 18 feet 1200 pounds, and had plenty enough trouble that I shudder to think what deep do do I might have found myself in if we had managed to launch the 32 footer right away.

You are making a big leap. Do plenty of looking.

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I did this with my first boat, but it was a much smaller 25footer. As a bonus, the previous owner helped me sail it from the North Channel across Georgian Bay, and through the Trent Severn so I could learn the ropes from someone who knew the boat and her quirks.

In your case, you would be better off trucking it to Ottawa. The T-S canals are too shallow, and so is the Rideau. You can keep the boat in Ottawa and sail her in Lac Deschenes while you learn her ways - BYC and the club across in Aylmer can handle larger boats and drafts.

Kingston is also an option, but if you live in Ottawa, the 2 hour drive can limit the time you spend sailing, which is what you will need at first.
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Ouff had a great summer, but boy was i not prepared for a 18000 pound boat... Big difference with my little edel 665 i had for the first month of the summer, could manhandle the thing out of the trailer and in the marina, the first was different lol nothing bad happened, no dings at all on the boat, even suprised a few with my youtube and blog reading experience.

Boat is still in the georgian bay...in Wiarton.. Great marina and great people working over there, 7 hour drive from home but its so beautiful. I learned a lot in the last 2 months.. Did a lot of mistakes but never closed to any other boats and never puting my family in danger. Started with little trips of 100 nm or less around the bay, learned how to use my radar and plotter, reading a map and calculating distances, overcome my wife fear of the waves and wind , practice sailing at night with the radar and plotter, setting the anchor at night, and swearing everytime i have to bring it up.

I ended up paying 46000$ for it... Witch i think was a good price, its in great shape, sails are new. It sails great... I think with my little experience i have. Wished i could have a experience captain for a couple of hours just to make sure i have everything right. Learned to reef early.. I only have one reef one the main.. I overpowered the boat a few times and scared everybody on board. Im gonna send the sails this winter to add 2 more. Lake huron can be very scary for a low experience crew, hit some 25 to 30 knots of wind often and was running with just a little bit of the genoa and was flying but the waves coming at you.., wow. We are gonna start next season over there and explore a bit more of the north shore then thinking of bringing it to kingston around july, the 7 hour drive is ruff... And add on the 5 kids and it equals lots of pain...

Dont want to bring it in ottawa, lac deschene is nice but nowhere but turning circles around... I got the travel and adventure bug and from kingston i can go anywhere
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