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Old 10-10-2013, 07:40   #211
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You guys will never reform Scoobert or he you.
I am beyond 'reforming' .
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Old 10-10-2013, 07:51   #212
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Maybe I need a frp boat so would have Time to read all the voluminous posting on this subject. But i need to re finish the companion way door.
You guys will never reform Scoobert or he you. I stand on my observation that naked sea lions or even dolphins are the real source of moral turpitude.
Trying to reform someone is like that saying about trying to teach a pig to sing ... it's a waste of time and it annoys the pig.

Since it's o.k. with most sailors, especially those sailing in the Med, who cares what Scoobert thinks. There are a lot of people out there with just plain weird views and that just the way it is. Just be glad he can't force his views/opinions on the rest of us.
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I wonder how different this discussion would be if it revolves around anchorage neighbors playing loud music all the time...
Guy peeing off his boat = Charlie Parker, Bird in Flight. Low volume.

Naked family in Med anchorage going about their business enjoying the sun and each other = Water Music Suite, St. Martin in the Fields. Medium volume.

Topless babe sunny herself on the fore deck = Van Halen's hot for the teacher. High volume.

Three naked guys doing toe touches (not in your direction) = Nine Inch Nails. Full volume.

All good music, but when and where do you play it, and what accommodation will you make for others? Some very few people will play what they want, when they want because it is there right. For most, it will depend on the circumstances.
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Old 10-10-2013, 08:20   #214
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Doodles...the pig story goes like this "Never fight with a pig" You get dirty and the pig loves it!!
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Old 10-10-2013, 08:23   #215
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Hi Scooby

The first photo was taken today just for you, only 2km from our boat :

See, there are some spots here in the Med that you would feel right at home (although you would have had to evert your eyes from the topless girls on the beach I passed first ).

Sorry to tell you though that this is only the second sign I have seen in Greece like this, although I did find the second sign next to a pool in the Peloponnese .
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NO CAMPING???
That's the dancing alone in hot pink shorts gone then!
Sad world.
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Having thought about Nostrodamus's various posts I think the issue is interpretation of intention from action. Nostrodamus says that he doesn't have an issue with nudity, only exhibitionism. Exhibitionism is intentionally creating a sexual situation. That can be threatening if you don't know how far they're going to take it and it's not unreasonable to not want a child to be put in a sexual situation at all, even if they aren't aware of the threat.

Nostrodamus's sarcastic reply to people saying he should accept it is probably because he thinks he is being asked to accept a sexually threatening situation or "look away".

Of course that isn't what people are saying. Intention is everything. And to guess what someone's intention is you need to have some awareness of their culture. The flip side of this is that to be respectful you should consider not only what your intentions are, but the intentions others might infer from your actions. Old people in a Greek village shouldn't be expected to understand your culture, so it would be highly disrespectful and threatening to parade into their village starkers. On the other hand someone cruising in the med could reasonably be expected to understand the clothing optional culture of other cruisers. Most long-term cruisers would probably be surprised at another med liveaboard attributing sexual intent to lack of clothing on their own boat in an anchorage.

Nostrodamus doesn't need to adopt someone else's culture, but he'd undoubtedly be a lot happier if he leaned to be a better judge of the intentions of those around him and realised that the perceived threat simply isn't there. People don't expect others to be threatened by their nudity in the changing room at a public pool, and they don't expect people to be threatened by their nudity while they're on their own boat.

Of course I could be wrong and Nostro might just think that his dress code is "right" but he seems like an intelligent bloke so I suspect that that isn't the case and it's just a misunderstanding of intent and culture.
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Not sure there is religion involved in sub-saharan Africa trade of woman.
It is fairly common in a vast area. can you call witchdoctor/medicine man a religion?
To answer your question, yes.
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this thread is adding to reasons that cruisers scare me
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good point. did i mention i have a 1000 watt stereo?
Sony ES dims the lights when i turn it on, so i will have to run the generator when i use it as well! don't worry, i will wear my shorts on deck, when i dance to techno.
Your lights wouldn't dim if you had a LiFePo4 battery bank.

How's THAT for thread drift?
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My only complaint with naked sailing is the same one I have with naked beaches. Namely, about 90 per cent of the people doing it would look more natural, with clothing on.
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Your lights wouldn't dim if you had a LiFePo4 battery bank.

How's THAT for thread drift?
Drift, yes, true, yes.

Group9, having lived in nudist resorts on and off for the last 30 years, if you are referring to the over weight or sagging bodies, take my word it is easier on the eyes when fully tanned than blinding pale white.
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To answer your question, yes.
I cannot distinguish between voodoo dolls, transubstantiation and virgin births, myself. It's all witchcraft to me.

On the other hand, at least with Wicca, you get naked dancing women, but rarely on a boat as the bonfire leaves marks on the foredeck. Beats some sexually confused ranter in a cassock.
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The text/picture ratio is way off for this thread. Just sayin....
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Maybe I need a frp boat so would have Time to read all the voluminous posting on this subject. But i need to re finish the companion way door.
You guys will never reform Scoobert or he you. I stand on my observation that naked sea lions or even dolphins are the real source of moral turpitude.
Dolphins for sure, they have too much fun!

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