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Old 03-11-2011, 09:03   #46
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Re: Most Dangerous Sailing / Boating Is Coastal, Not Offshore

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Although most boat sinkings occur in marinas and most boating fatalities occur within inland protected waters, these data are impacted by where most boats and boaters are located. I suspect that we can all agree that the majority of these events occur due to poor judgement and human error. I think we could also agree that offshore cruisers have more experience and take more serious consideration of risks that the casual weekend inshore boater. Accepting this makes it very difficult to site statistics to evaluate the safety of offshore cruising.
Good post CaptForce,

I think about these things when doing something other people don't do. If you factor-in that only 1 out of 10,000,000 people are out *doing whatever*, it makes the 1 in a ten million odds seems very high. That person could be you!

For instance (and not a good example, I'm sure) the risk of shark attack on the eact coast is small, but how many people are actually out surfing or swimming distances right off the shore?

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A typical calm day on the Columbia River Bar.

Todays Noaa report.

In The Main Channel...Combined seas around 10 ft building to 12 ft this afternoon and to 14 ft tonight. However...seas will temporarily build to 14 ft with breakers likely during the ebb around noon today...and to 16 ft with breakers likely during the ebb around 1215 am early friday.
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Re: Most Dangerous Sailing / Boating Is Coastal, Not Offshore

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What's your logic for disputing this statement? Please present your statistics on how many deaths have resulted from coastal accidents (say within 50 miles of land).

I will point to Fastnet in 1979, to the fatalities in the Hobart to Sidney race, and the various boats that have been lost on the run from Tonga to New Zealand to support my statement. And many of those deaths involved experienced crews, not mom and pop operations.
I see nothing wrong with your logic Curm.. Infact, I think you should spread it around to everyone you know who has a boat...
That way it leaves more room for those of us who like it out there......
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Re: Most Dangerous Sailing / Boating Is Coastal, Not Offshore

I think agree it's 'the herd mentality crowd'. Blue water is where you do not have the (sometimes unrealistic, or downright inaccurate) sense that the shore is close enough to get too in case of difficulty.

Furthest off shore I have sailed is 30 miles and I didn't feel like I could call that 'Blue water sailing'. I am guessing everyone's sense of when they have 'Arrived' to blue water is different.
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Re: Most Dangerous Sailing / Boating Is Coastal, Not Offshore

I personly have to agree with Piney, I too have sailed the Columbia River Bar often. If you can feel at ease there, you have sailed too much. Alway's remember;
1 Landsmen see the oceans as danger.....
2 Seamen see the land as danger....

Choose your lifestyle accordingly...

My wife & I sailed the entire West Coast this summer....

To us, sailing & cruising is a lifestyle, not a challenge...

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Re: Most Dangerous Sailing / Boating Is Coastal, Not Offshore

For teaching children about the nature and danger of fire, we have the fire triangle of fuel, heat, and oxygen. For getting new boaters to pay more attention to risk management on the water, maybe we should have the "Sailors' Triangle" of boat preparation, crew competence, and awareness of the boating environment (weather, other craft, and pointy bits of land). A serious deficit in any of these three can spell disaster no matter how much money, time, and effort are put into improving one of the others.
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Re: Most Dangerous Sailing / Boating Is Coastal, Not Offshore

blue water is cobalt blue and gorgeous--takes away breath with beauty. many fishies live there. other than that--is up to the snotty folks who have attitudes about their experiences and the abilities of others they deem inadequate or inexperienced.
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Well, it depends on what you understand by 'dangerous'. I found most of those who coast remain normal, while with those frequenting offshore it all depends ...

Thus, in a way, sailing offshore too much is a dangerous thing.

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Re: Most Dangerous Sailing / Boating Is Coastal, Not Offshore

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Furthest off shore I have sailed is 30 miles and I didn't feel like I could call that 'Blue water sailing'.
Next time you're out there, my friend, check the color.
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Re: Most Dangerous Sailing / Boating Is Coastal, Not Offshore

I've never been more than a two or three miles from land (measured vertically).
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Well, first of all sailing on anything larger than 30 feet is so safe that you can practically forget about dieing as a hazard no matter where you are. Typically in the USA you can count on one hand the total number of fatalities in one year on sailboats larger than 30 feet. Since the vast majority of sailors and boats are located in coastal waters it is definitely where the most boaters die, but since there are so few boaters offshore the occasional death jacks up the offshore statistics a lot. How do you measure this? Deaths per mile sailed? That might make offshore the most dangerous. So I think deciding which is safer, coastal or offshore, is basically in the statistical noise category--impossible to say what the statistics are telling us.

Most of us are in far greater danger taking a shower at home (lots of people die falling in the bathroom) or driving in the car to get to the boat. If you're really worried about your health, stop smoking, eat better, and exercise more. It will do a lot more to prevent your dieing while sailing than almost anything else.
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Thanks for the ............... lecture? But I think you have me confused with an idiot.
I just spit out my beer........
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Well, first of all sailing on anything larger than 30 feet is so safe that you can practically forget about dieing (...)
C'mon mate, mercy!

How about things smaller than 30' - how do you see their chances of not dying?

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The further you are from the hard the safer you are IMHO Capt Phil
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Blue Water is 21 days and 2700 miles then blowing your brains away on G&T's in Peters Bar...........
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