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Old 05-02-2014, 19:45   #241
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Re: Man Washes up in Marshall Islands 'After 16 Months Adrift'

I think the Blue fish box is molded into the hull and is structurally integral.

In SE Asia you come accros fishing nomads who survive on what they catch.
It is all about having that survival attitude

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Old 05-02-2014, 19:55   #242
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I think the Blue fish box is molded into the hull and is structurally integral.
Don't think so. A picture in an article a few posts back (showing the fishing community where he originated from) displayed blue boxes in stacks around a bunch of boats.
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Old 05-02-2014, 20:09   #243
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Don't think so. A picture in an article a few posts back (showing the fishing community where he originated from) displayed blue boxes in stacks around a bunch of boats.
You are assuming they are the same boxes, instead of similar sized boxes for manual transport.

Logic dictates that the onboard fish boxes need to be very secure and I have seen the molded box solution on Yamaha based longboat design in many countries
EDIT Salty you are correct
Went ..back and saw detail photo of box in boat.. Definitely not molded, but would still need to be made secure
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Old 05-02-2014, 20:10   #244
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Re: Man Washes up in Marshall Islands 'After 16 Months Adrift'

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Thats why we import it from Argentina..
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Well.. I lived on red lentils and chapati for around 30 days rather than open any of the 19 x 1lb tins of corned beef I had on board.. did have 20 but that one went over the side after the 1st mouthful.. USA corned beef is *****..
Guess that makes me a fussy non-survivor..


I believe Boatman. He is a well known connoisseur of Corned beef.
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Re: Man Washes up in Marshall Islands 'After 16 Months Adrift'

And not a bad expert on ***** either. He knows it when he sees it.

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Re: Man Washes up in Marshall Islands 'After 16 Months Adrift'

@ Pelagic yeah, and i wonder if the locals already cleaned out the inside and outside of that boat before they took those pictures. It was given to them as a gift.
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And not a bad expert on ***** either. He knows it when he sees it.

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Old 05-02-2014, 20:32   #248
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Re: Man Washes up in Marshall Islands 'After 16 Months Adrift'

Salty...I think you just answered many questions. Have spent a lot of time in Micronesian Atols and studied there culture. That is exactly how they would have viewed it. Possession has a loose interpretation, more based on need.

No question that the boat will remain on island

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Old 05-02-2014, 20:50   #249
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Re: Man Washes up in Marshall Islands 'After 16 Months Adrift'

Pelagic ... I agree it takes a lot of the right "attitude" to survive that sort of ordeal. But it also takes a lot of the right survival knowledge, which was the point I was trying to make.
The two Lao lads I took sailing had no trouble finding food unlike those of us who grew up in an environment where food is found plastic wrapped and frozen on a supermarket shelf.
We have lost the skill of even recognizing food when it is in front of our eyes.
Many years ago I spent some time with a guy from Papua New Guinea walking around the streets and parks of Sydney and he constantly pointed out plants and insects that I considered inedible weeds or pests that he said they would East back in his village.
The Polynesian and other human colonisers of the Pacific Islands must have found their way there somehow and in vessels that were not much better furbished than this guy.
We live in a cynical society that is too used to false claims. I am prepared to give this guy the benefit of the doubt and applaud his achievements.

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Re: Man Washes up in Marshall Islands 'After 16 Months Adrift'

I know many are skeptical of his traumatic time at sea.

I have just one word you should consider.

Shackleton.
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Re: Man Washes up in Marshall Islands 'After 16 Months Adrift'

We don't know much about the boat. It's possible that the boat had inherent buoyancy (wood under glass fibre, air tanks, or foam), that the blue box was bolted or secured to the hull, and that any remaining gear on the boat has now become part of the working capital of the residents of Ebon. And, there could be confusion between swelling/edema versus the appearance of normal weight.
The boat may have traveled somewhat faster than would seem most likely for movement solely by ocean currents, but it has enough surface area/windage that winds would have affected its movement. Possibly someone with forensic weather talents could dig up a record of wind history along the projected track from southern Mexico to the Marshall's and try to model the combined effect of windage and current drift, though there would likely be a pretty big error range. If, for a crude example, windage contributed a positive/favorable average 2% of hull speed (roughly srt 18.5 =4.5 x 1.3 =~ 6 kts/50 = .12 kt x 24 hrs. = ~ 2 nm/day), then the boat might have made something like 10-20% more progress than current alone would allow. That's assuming currents and winds are somewhat aligned, which seems plausible given historical averages, and that a southward set from about 14 N to 5 N lat also makes sense. (One good storm could make for a chunk of N/S movement to mess up the prediction.) This all would seem to make sense when compared with the discussion of currents a few posts previous.
What are the typical winds for this area of the Pacific at different times of year as you track them from an early winter departure from southern Mexico? For example, if I read the pilot charts right, northeasterlies and easterlies seem common in late winter and early spring in the 10/15 N 100/110 W region, but by late summer in mid-ocean, northeasterlies to southeasterlies (s.e.'s more common especially as you move a bit more south closer to the line) seem more prevalent in the 5/10 N 150/160 W region.
If in addition to currents, you take average winds for the departure time and place from your pilot charts or wind history, and then for every month add about 400-some nm/7.5 deg. further west, 45 nm/.75 deg. further south, what do you get?
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Re: Man Washes up in Marshall Islands 'After 16 Months Adrift'

Totally agree Mausgras.
One of the reasons I love living in the more undeveloped communities of subsistence farmers and fishermen is their resilience in the face of adversity.
I see it all the time here in the Philippines outside the towns and cities

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Re: Man Washes up in Marshall Islands 'After 16 Months Adrift'

One thing I don't get though... he was supposed to be on a day fishing trip( for sharks) so how come he didn't have any fishing gear and had to catch fish and birds by bare hands? Just wondering...
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Re: Man Washes up in Marshall Islands 'After 16 Months Adrift'

As I said before or as Salty figured that the Islanders cleaned out the boat

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I am hoping all this will come out in a book.

Guessing that they lost most of their gear in the early storm he reported.

Later on.. swollen fingers and delirium might have lost him the knife overboard


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Re: Man Washes up in Marshall Islands 'After 16 Months Adrift'

Crude look, with simple line drawn over August pilot chart...

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