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17-05-2016, 08:48
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capnmatt
Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Pacific Northwest
Posts: 122
Long-Term Outlook for Cruising
Just curious what people's opinions are as to where cruising is headed? When I look at today's rapidly changing world I have to wonder if cruising in it's
current
form is going to survive. Popular cruising areas that were once pristine and peaceful are getting more and more crowded. There is ever increasing risk of crime,
piracy
,
government
instability and even terrorism. Our oceans are becoming more polluted.
Cruise
ships continue to be built to bring the less ambitious crowds to new exotic locations. Resorts are being built on what were once quiet and desolate islands. And
Google earth
and other forms of technology make it easy for people to sit at home and virtually plan every aspect of their next
vacation
. As I look at a map it seems that the only unspoiled cruising grounds remaining might be
parts
of the
South Pacific
and maybe areas of the
Indian Ocean
- unless you include some of the more rugged and non-tropical areas.
We have temporarily shelved our cruising plans for about ten years until our
kids
get out of
school
, but I worry that we are going to miss our final opportunity to experience cruising in its true form. I know we will always be able to buy a
boat
and sail over the horizon, but what is cruising going to be when we finally get to that point?
17-05-2016, 08:52
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Stu Jackson
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Cowichan Bay, BC (Maple Bay Marina)
Posts: 9,706
Re: Long-Term Outlook for Cruising
Quote:
Originally Posted by
capnmatt
We have temporarily shelved our cruising plans for about ten years until our
kids
get out of
school
, but I worry that we are going to miss our final opportunity to experience cruising in its true form. I know we will always be able to buy a
boat
and sail over the horizon, but what is cruising going to be when we finally get to that point?
It's going to be what it will be. Really. At the same time there asre threads about how few new people are getting into sailing, so one could "argue" that there will be less boats!
Some folks I know bemoan the state of things today, saying Things were better back in the day.
Nonsense.
Things are always changing.
It's YOUR outlook about how how you will deal with them.
No one can predict the future.
Good luck, happy planning and hope you enjoy your
cruise
.
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Catalina 34 #224 (1986) C34IA Secretary
Cowichan Bay, BC, SR/FK, M25, Rocna 10 (22#) (NZ model)
17-05-2016, 09:03
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unclemack
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 429
Re: Long-Term Outlook for Cruising
There was a documentary about that years ago.
Found it
17-05-2016, 09:10
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redhead
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: PNW 48.59'45N 122.45'50W
Boat: Ian Ross design ketch 63'
Posts: 1,472
Images:
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Re: Long-Term Outlook for Cruising
We're about to let go the docklines.
New coast, new ocean, new people. I can't wait. There are 75 year old liveaboards, next to retired CEOs, next to
trimaran
techie racers. We all seem to enjoy each other for the most part. There are a few jaded spoiled brats but I ignore 'em.
I don't believe in "Golden Age" thinking. These are the good old days. Enjoy!
17-05-2016, 09:55
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Kenomac
cruiser
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Pangaea
Posts: 10,856
Re: Long-Term Outlook for Cruising
To the OP. Stop watching the US news! Stop watching the US news! Based on your second hand observations, you have everything bassackwards.
The
water
.... Hasn't been this clean in over fifty years, back in the 1960's, now that was polluted. We
anchor
in pristine, crystal clear
water
all season.
Pirates. LOL.... Stop watching the news.
Wait...
On second thought it's all true, scuttle your plans because it's horrible around here. Dead
fish
and garbage floating all around our boat, even had to
fish
out another headless body earlier today, probably a
piracy
victim or maybe a poor cruiser fallen victim to ISIS that washed up from Syria. Oh, the horror...
If you're going to worry as much as it appears by your post, maybe it's best that you stay home with your TV.
17-05-2016, 10:13
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four winds
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Wandering the US Gulf Coast
Boat: 78 Pearson323 Four Winds
Posts: 2,212
Re: Long-Term Outlook for Cruising
unclemac, the image below shows a what I see when you post a link. This occurs every time and does not occur for other members.
I would like to access the info you link to usually, but don't understand why this occurs.
What type of links do you use? Or what proceedure?
Anyone else see this, or understand what's happening?
Attached Thumbnails
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17-05-2016, 11:20
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unclemack
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 429
Re: Long-Term Outlook for Cruising
Quote:
Originally Posted by
four winds
unclemac, the image below shows a what I see when you post a link. This occurs every time and does not occur for other members.
I would like to access the info you link to usually, but don't understand why this occurs.
What type of links do you use? Or what proceedure?
Anyone else see this, or understand what's happening?
I'm not the best person to ask but I'll give it a shot.
You appear to be viewing on an Android
phone
or tablet.
Android discontinued flash player support some time ago, hence "plugin required" - my Android
phone
doesn't show images/youtube videos from lots of other members' posts either, though I see them on my
laptop
perfectly well. As far as I know
Google
Play no longer offers flash players that
work
, just expects everybody else to adopt HTML5.
I copy the url and paste it into "insert image" - as far as I'm aware this is the correct procedure. If not, apologies to all
Bit surprised you say this doesn't happen with other members' posts because I see it frequently.
BTW... If you still can't see it, it was only a joke anyway. The "documentary" was the
trailer
for the "Waterworld"
movie
.
I hate having to explain jokes
17-05-2016, 11:49
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Hudson Force
Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Lived aboard & cruised for 45 years,- now on a chair in my walk-in closet.
Boat: Morgan OI 413 1973 - Aythya
Posts: 8,467
Images:
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Re: Long-Term Outlook for Cruising
Capnmatt, My wife and I set out
liveaboard
cruising on the day of the Watergate break on June 17th, 1972. We have definitely seen some changes, but not all as negative as you describe. Back then transient slips were often 10 to 15 cents per foot for overnight and $50 to $80 per month. This sounds good, but no real change relative to inflation. Many coastal waterways are cleaner now than they were in then. We see
dolphins
up some inland waterways where they were not found forty years ago. The Clean Water Act of 1972 has made a positive impact.
Slips for liveaboards were available with a little search in the seventies, but much harder to find in the nineties, and now easier to find again.
The popular and crowded places forty years ago are more crowded, but most of the isolated places are still empty. For some strange reason that I don't understand, most cruisers speak of heading out for adventure in pristine wilderness areas, but they tend to congregate in large numbers in a limited number of places like Marathon or George Town in the
Exumas
.
We can still
anchor
alone in beautiful places!
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17-05-2016, 11:57
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tuffr2
Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Palm Coast Florida
Boat: 2018 Seadoo GTX 230
Posts: 1,059
Re: Long-Term Outlook for Cruising
I saw a graphic (I think on yahoo) that showed the population aging dating there more people 65 years old vs 5 years old. So it is my guess when all the baby boomers kick the bucket that will lessen all the pressure on pristine locations. It will be it's own bubble that will burst.
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17-05-2016, 12:01
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nautical62
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Live Iowa - Sail mostly Bahamas
Boat: Beneteau 32.5
Posts: 2,307
Images:
12
Re: Long-Term Outlook for Cruising
I started cruising about 20 years ago and have seen cruising get tougher and tougher.
Even before the new
anchoring
laws,
anchoring
became more and more restricted in SE
Florida
. After the hurricanes,
insurance
and dockage doubled. When I first went to the
Bahamas
, the cruising
permit
was $20. Many Bahamian islands or bays that used to be wonderful uninhabited stops now have resorts or homes.
I think cruising in some way shape or form will exist for a long, long time to come, but I think population pressures,
regulations
and the changing economics will continue to make it more and more restrictive. I think I lived in a very good time for cruising.
17-05-2016, 12:07
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jwing
Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 230
Re: Long-Term Outlook for Cruising
The scene is just going to get worse as Americans get increasingly fed up with their home country and seek a better life and affordable medicine away from the
USA
. Many will take to boats when they jump off the sinking, stinking ship. All destinations outside of, but close to, the
USA
will be packed with disgruntled Americans, who will bring their petty arguments to the overcrowded
anchorages
, where they will be prey to people who have increasingly more hatred of the unwelcome intruders.
By the way, I predicted that the Republican Establishment would not allow Trump to win their primaries; I could be wrong about this prediction, too.
17-05-2016, 12:16
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a64pilot
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Jacksonville/ out cruising
Boat: Island Packet 38
Posts: 31,351
Re: Long-Term Outlook for Cruising
Average person is not going to cruise, couldn't if they wanted to, for many reasons.
I believe the number of people in the average age for cruisers is slowly beginning to decline.
People are for the most part herd
animals
, most people like a crowd, wouldn't the Cruise ships be empty if they didn't?
Pristine cruising grounds will not be close, you will have to travel further, but it is easier with Satcom and
GPS
etc to travel further. South Fl has been ruined (in my opinion) not much to see there, keep moving along, but the world does not end at
Key West
.
Economics more than anything else will drive cruising's future I believe (again my opinion)
17-05-2016, 16:15
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barnakiel
Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: between the devil and the deep blue sea
Boat: a sailing boat
Posts: 20,437
Re: Long-Term Outlook for Cruising
Quote:
Originally Posted by
capnmatt
(...)
I worry that we are going to miss our final opportunity to experience cruising in its true form.
(...)
I know we will always be able to buy a boat and sail over the horizon, but what is cruising going to be when we finally get to that point?
As for having missed the opportunity, you did, by some 60 years or so.
As for the always able to, I would not bet. You assume being alive, being heathy, being rich, and making it thru the first mile. That's quite some choice of assumptions.
I think cruising in its true form is all about anchoring in a crowded Caribben place and driving a high powered
rib
to the next beach bar. Can`t see this having changed much over the last 20 years or so.
Bet this will be all the same 20 years from now.
And those who want an ocean walkabout should not have any problems either, the crowd does not go walkabout. Too boring.
b.
17-05-2016, 17:01
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laika
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Join Date: May 2012
Location: Hailing Minny, MN
Boat: Vancouver 27
Posts: 1,090
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Re: Long-Term Outlook for Cruising
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Hudson Force
The popular and crowded places forty years ago are more crowded, but most of the isolated places are still empty. For some strange reason that I don't understand, most cruisers speak of heading out for adventure in pristine wilderness areas, but they tend to congregate in large numbers in a limited number of places like Marathon or George Town in the
Exumas
.
We can still anchor alone in beautiful places!
Even around Gtown, Exumas, sail a few miles and you're back in total remoteness! Totally unspoiled with hundreds of empty islands and vast open spaces. All just a few miles from FL. The settlements are actually lovely to come upon, because it gets too lonely out there!! And it just gets better and better as you go SE. The
bahamas
blew me away.
After a few months there, we came back to the states to see
family
..I was actually happy to be back sitting in traffic in MPLS, surrounded by fellow people
The feeling dissipated fast, but was nevertheless duly noted in the log.
17-05-2016, 17:29
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Boatguy30
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Working in St Augustine
Boat: Woods Vardo 34 Cat
Posts: 3,865
Re: Long-Term Outlook for Cruising
I wouldn't wait 10 years. Go for a year now and decide if its something you want to devote 10 years of your life to. The whole scene has changed a bunch in the last 10 mostly with people socializing online aboard and literally having to drag people ashore to a beach BBQ. Whereas 10 years ago everyone would be keen to get ashore as they'd read all there
books
and would be eager to have a BBQ and book exchange, now who needs a book or
DVD
?
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