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Old 13-05-2009, 07:20   #46
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I certainly would have more respect for her if she did some honest work, showed some patience, and did her challenge without selling her effort and apparently trading on her flesh to some extent. This cheapens her accomplishment and her courage.
Perhaps she's trying to gain experience so she can steal Samantha Browns job on the Travel channel? Although some would surely argue that Samantha Brown does not have a "Real" job - even though someone see's fit to pay her real money to spend just about every week of the year on vacation. Sweet gig - trading her flesh, and pretending that somehow an everlasting vacation is honest work...

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I think many here have given a friend a helping hand at one time, or another. Liz has in a small way become a friend of many who read her. Most will not be helping a stranger, but they will be helping a friend. Some will do it, because they wish they were in her shoes, and live vicariously through her writings. There will be many reasons for contributions to be given.

I admire her tenacity, and she has over come obstacles before. She will over come this one too. Maybe with helping hands extended, or with work she will need to seek out. There will be many reasons to give, or not to give. It is what works for you. The rude, and cruel remarks about Liz are really uncalled for. Who here belittling Liz has never reached out to a helping hand? I sure would like to hear that answer. I guess if you have ever recieved help everything you do is cheapened?

I truly admire the wisdom of Aussie's grandmother. I myself will not give a contribution for my own reasons, but I will not look down my nose at a person for seeking help. She does get my BEST WISHES though

Hey Aussie that video is one of my favorite songs. It woke me for years every morning. The only one to equal the rendition of Sachmo is Iz where he slips into the middle of OVER THE RAINBOW......i2f

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The rude, and cruel remarks about Liz are really uncalled for. Who here belittling Liz has never reached out to a helping hand? I sure would like to hear that answer. I guess if you have ever recieved help everything you do is cheapened?
We don't do rude and cruel here at CF. The mods are active in this thread.

We do allow some lattitude to discuss people that have taken their life public.

Liz Clark is arguably a public figure who has placed herself out there and will be the subject of discussion. She is asking for money. That creates discussion although we mods are starting to wonder how this discussion advances the cause of Cruisers Forum.

We don't allow anyone to mine our membership for handouts or commercial purpose so links and information about how to donate to Liz have been deleted from posts.

We will also insist everyone on this thread play nice with each other regardless of how polarized you are by the topic.

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I must admit that I do understand the opposite side of this...I too have worked all my life to just now at the age of 43 be able to take my boat cruising. I have worked hard and long for every penny.

Even so, I think Liz is unique and I enjoy her spirit and writing and there for it is worth the cost of a subscription to me to help her continue.
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Blah Blah Blah.

Send her some money or don't. She is out there doing it and that gets points from me over sitting at the dock and discussing the latest wind generator output curve.

Belittling her methods smacks of jealousy to me. Its all hard work.

I did especially like the music though and went straight to itunes and bought the over the rainbow song. He is a big boy.
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He is a big boy.

He was a big one with the voice of an angel. I really like the way he brought the 2 songs together......i2f
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It's great that some people are generous enough to share some of the spare coin to help this gal on her mission. We all salute any sailor who heads out into the blue on their own. This is not disputed or even questioned.

I suppose the reason this is becoming a heated discussion is because of the notion that she is being sponsored by others. I suspect many CF sailors would accept similar sponsorship but none ask.

Most sailors accept the challenge of sailing as something that they do on their own without it being handed to them. You certainly can't be handed the skills and experience - but you can be handed the cash for the boat and the gear.

Many people bristle at the infusion of "commercialism" into sailing. This is especially common in racing and especially AC syndicates which is a sport for millionaires only (aside from the grunts who work the boats). Ms Clark's effort has a component of commercialism and there's where the rub is.

Lat 38 is guilty of this commercialism for sure and obviously enabled the entire adventure and is looking for readership and advertising as a result. I won't be reading it - that's for sure.

As distasteful as commercialism often is, it's now clearly part of "sport" which can hardly carry on without commercialism. But they make no bones about it. Ms Clarke's plea to individuals for support lacks the quid pro quo in other commercial sponsorships (except for Lat 38 in this case). Lat's in it for the bucks (yea I know they are sailors and love to sail).

Who gets the boat at the end of the deal? Do the "investors" get theirs back? or some percentage? Why ask strangers... how about her family? Why not her sponsors?

I don't have good feelings about financial aspects of this effort. I don't like the sense of "entitlement" it breeds.
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Man... I am really upset now that I realize I'll never ever get back the 10 minutes of life I wasted reading this thread....
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I suppose the reason this is becoming a heated discussion is because of the notion that she is being sponsored by others. I suspect many CF sailors would accept similar sponsorship but none ask.
Let's see... I discovered I have some soft spots on my deck which require taking the skins up and epoxying new marine ply in. That will run me about $700 in materials. My roller furling is bent at the drum, another $1000. And while I'm at it, I need to do a re-wire.
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don't we all. I say stop, go to work, resume voyage when funds allow.
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What a weird crew we have here, talk about wanting their cake and eating it too. Everyone here (I assume) wants to get out sail. This girl found a way and many people are down on her. How about live and let live?

For a group of individuals who for the most part want to cut free the bonds of land, you sure want the hold others back. Or is it just the fact that she didn't "pay her dues"? You had to slog all your life so why not her?

I just don't get it.

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But in this case I do not know the young lady well enough to find her guilty of lacking responsability. I do know she is sailing, which is what I want to be doing..

So what is it mate, is she enterprising or not taking responsibility? ... you can't have it both ways!
See, I said she is enterprising, and I CAN NOT judge her guilty of lacking responsability, because I do not know her.......
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Liz doesn't need your money, she just needs a little repackaging and a new website, like
World Mission Centre | Christian Mission Organization - mission centre, mission centres, mission centre south africa, mission centre africa, mission centre south america, mission centre asia, mission centre southern africa

There was a family on a high dollar motoryacht going around the Western Caribbean 'spreading the Word' on donations. I couldn't find their website, but it was on the order of 'buy us some diesel to save your soul'...
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Blah Blah Blah.

Send her some money or don't. She is out there doing it and that gets points from me over sitting at the dock and discussing the latest wind generator output curve.

Belittling her methods smacks of jealousy to me. Its all hard work.
Couldn't agree more. If you don't want to help her, don't. It's not necessary to belittle her; that's always only to make the one doing the belittling feel superior.

Some people take "Ask and you shall receive" quite literally. Makes sense. If you ask for help, you'll likely get at least some. If you don't ask, the answer is always and automatically a 'no.'"

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What a weird crew we have here, talk about wanting their cake and eating it too. Everyone here (I assume) wants to get out sail. This girl found a way and many people are down on her. How about live and let live?

For a group of individuals who for the most part want to cut free the bonds of land, you sure want the hold others back. Or is it just the fact that she didn't "pay her dues"? You had to slog all your life so why not her?

I just don't get it.

Also, I don't mind being quoted, but you should read what you are quoting before you comment on it.



See, I said she is enterprising, and I CAN NOT judge her guilty of lacking responsability, because I do not know her.......
I wish her well and am happy that she's 'out there', BUT I don't intend to give her money any more than I would ever ask for and expect others to give me money. You sound like 'paying your dues' is a bad thing. Being able to take care of ones self and vessel is the hallmark of a true sailor, or so I 've always thought.
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If she gets her boat fixed with the help of others. I would imagine that's just another way to skin the cat. She's out sailing where are some of the naysayers? I see people all the time in the yards getting help from friends. Where do you draw the line?........i2f
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