Liz Clark Needs Help!

[David M]

I know this may sound mean to some, but there is no inherent right to go cruising. Sell the boat, get a job and try it again sometime in the future...next time with her own hard earned money. That's how regular folks do it.

[Celestialsailor]

You know...I have to go with the camp of whats up with that??? I read it in Latitude and have followed some of her cruising. I thought..."Whats the big deal"? But I guess a lot of males are of the camp of that poor little surfer girl. Not me. Her adventures are barely interesting but any chance Latitude gets, they show her in a skimpy bikini. As mentioned before...there are TONS of cruisers down on their luck out there that make it without appealing to the general public for a hand-out.
I have an idea... keep the boat on the hard, fly back to Ca. and...WORK! Oh my gosh...did I say that?

[Keegan]

She needs to get a job, period, but if she can pander old sailor men out of their hard earned cash with her cute way about her, then more power to her.I do wish her well in her endeavors.

I suggest feeding starving children as a better charitable choice, than to support a surfer chick so she can live the dream you worked 20-30 years for!

To each his own but my donations will go elsewhere.

[TaoJones]

I imagine Liz would be embarrassed by this silly dustup among a bunch of old men, or amused. She never asked 'Lectronic Latitude to publicize her desperate situation, nor did 'LectLat ask me to post their story about Liz here. Liz didn't ask Trim or Aussiesuede or me or any of us to help her.

That we choose to do so is our decision, individually, and it affects no one else. Nor do we need to justify our decisions to anyone.

All Liz has done is undertake a sailing / surfing adventure at a young age and write about it for anyone interested in reading what she has to say. No one is forced to read her blog, but many who do feel they have come to "know" her. To have read her blog and to be aware of what she has accomplished up to this point - against considerable odds - is to be inspired.

Her appeal for help was to those who read her blog, not to Latitude 38 nor Cruisers Forum.

To those who demean her, not because of anything she has done, but for reasons within you - sheesh . . . get over it.

TaoJones

[David M]

Tao,
I don't see people as demeaning her by making real life, realistic suggestions of selling the boat and getting a job. That is a realistic alternative to her situation. Its not an insult at all, its a suggestion. From what we know, its sounds like the best thing for her to do at this point.

Peace

[TaoJones]

Originally Posted by David M

Tao,
I don't see people as demeaning her by making real life, realistic suggestions of selling the boat and getting a job. That is a realistic alternative to her situation. Its not an insult at all, its a suggestion. From what we know, its sounds like the best thing for her to do at this point.

Peace

And Peace to you as well, David. I think it was where someone called her a beggar that did it for me - well OK he did it in Yiddish, even if he spelled it wrong.

TaoJones

[Trim50]

This is all very interesting...certainly not what I anticipated from a sailing forum. I wonder if it would be different on a surfing forum?

[Celestialsailor]

Tao...I respect and agree Liz does not need to be attacked. I feel it is Latitude and the misaligned duties of the male species that feel a need to rescue. I just felt it wrong to single out a young female capable of getting herself back sailing through her own means.
My beef is with Latitude. This isn't the first time they've done this. I really like their rag but every once in awhile they kind of get sideways.

[Keegan]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

I feel it is Latitude and the misaligned duties of the male species that feel a need to rescue. I just felt it wrong to single out a young female capable of getting herself back sailing through her own means.
My beef is with Latitude. This isn't the first time they've done this. I really like their rag but every once in awhile they kind of get sideways.

Latitude 38 is probably my favorite sailing rag but I must say, well before this thread, I had grown tired of the over exposure of Liz Clark in the magazine. To be sure the Liz Clark thing was interesting the first time or two I read about her but at this point in time, the "shine is off the apple" for me. Latitude does tend to get worked up any time they get wind of an attractive young female that is taking part in sailing and that they can photograph. What's new, sex sells.

[Celestialsailor]

Well stated Keegan.

[dana-tenacity]

If I add this maybe people will send me money

[Aussiesuede]

YouTube - Louis Armstrong - What A Wonderful World

I suppose it all boils down to what we'd like the world we leave behind to look like. I hope "Every" human that lives after my death experiences a better life than I have. THAT would let me die happy! I don't think my desires will be met with success, But living a life with that fantasy sure does feel good. Hohum - dreaming is for kids I suppose....?

[BlueSovereign]

Originally Posted by TaoJones

To those who demean her, not because of anything she has done, but for reasons within you - sheesh . . . get over it. TaoJones

Let's get this matter straight TJ:

You state the above and also stated: "That those who do not want to contribute to her effort monetarily instead "contribute" their indignant points-of-view to this thread is unfortunate, I suppose, but not surprising. Liz will carry on in spite of her current set-back and the kvetshes on the sidelines"

as if everyone who disagrees with YOU has a problem!

May I suggest you "discover religion" by realising YOUR value system and YOUR perspective is far from being in alignment with many who have posted their point of view in this thread... and thus YOUR values and perspective are not omnipotent.

If there is anyone who has a need to "get over" anything it's you sir!

[BlueSovereign]

Originally Posted by Trim50

This is all very interesting...certainly not what I anticipated from a sailing forum. I wonder if it would be different on a surfing forum?

I wouldn't know. Are you suggesting surfer's have a lack of "accountability and taking responsibility", and thus would be more supportive???

[Sandero]

Here's my take on publicity hounds such as this women who I know very little about.

If you want to take on a personal challenge fine and dandy and in could and often is laudable. Go for it.

Why do YOU need publicity and why are publications such as Latts so exploitative and in this case appearing "sexists"?

There have been many who have quiestly worked at numerous sailing challenges who receive no publicity, don't seek it and certainly don't look for people to support them financially.

I certainly would have more respect for her if she did some honest work, showed some patience, and did her challenge without selling her effort and apparently trading on her flesh to some extent. This cheapens her accomplishment and her courage.