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Old 26-01-2013, 09:59   #46
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Re: Knocked down 90 degrees

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What, never? / No, never! / What, never? / Well, hardly ever!

(H.M.S. Pinafore)

I can't find the picture of someone standing on the keel of a J-24 trying to right it like a dinghy. (Yes I know I'm picking an extreme case of a race boat not designed for offshore, but you said always. )

J24 can easily capsize, go to the top of the mast can make this happen. however, it was designed to be a race boat first. and a good one for around the buoys race. it is what it is
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Old 26-01-2013, 10:17   #47
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J24 can easily capsize, go to the top of the mast can make this happen. however, it was designed to be a race boat first. and a good one for around the buoys race. it is what it is
I guess my disclaimer in parentheses with the devil smiley icon didn't come through clearly. Yes I realize I was taking a special case unrelated to offshore sailing, it was a joke son, a joke, now keep up.

(Also the reference to a song in a comedic musical was supposed to be another clue.)

Doesn't need to be a J-24 to fall over with someone up the mast. College days screwing around with the club's Caravel Bristol 22. 5-8 knots of wind. All 3 of us sit to weather, boat almost flat, sit to leeward, rail almost in water, one shinnys up the mast to the spreaders, boat falls down, mast in water. BUT, guy comes back down mast, boat pops right back up.


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Old 26-01-2013, 10:36   #48
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I think you should go out and do a knockdown in controlled conditions. It's a confidence builder. When it happens out at sea in an uncontrolled situation you can then say to yourself "Oh, this again. No sweat."

I've had race boats over 90 degrees on several occasions. This boat blew over to 80 degrees cruising on a nice blustery day with all the white sails flying. Demonstrates and failings in ones stowage plan. Would be dangerous on the typical houseboat cruiser what with the basil plants and grills deployed, dinghies flying around, etc.
When I was on Lake Norman We would go out in 25 -30 mile an hour winds with full main and jib ,it was like having fun !
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Old 26-01-2013, 15:08   #49
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@Gordo, let me say again NOT A TROLL, and to be honest I didnt want you cat guys here stinkin up my thread with this cat piss.
I was looking for opinions on knock downs from mono sailers, because it happens. Why do the cat crew get so defensive over this stuff.
So why did you mention cat's in your first post? Anyway, I owned a mono for about 10 years, and I've now done near 20'000 miles on cat's, and at no stage have I ever thought "I wish I were back on mono".

Most cat' owners have owned mono's, so they are qualified to talk about both. People who say "based in such and such happening on a mono, I wouldn't want to be in the same conditions in a cat" simply have no idea.

And in the 10 year I owned a mono, we never got knocked down, not to 90 dgrees. but we did broach a few times, we did round up uncontrollably, because the boat heeled over so much the rudder wouldn't work any more, and I did get the crap scared out of me, when the only thing keeping the boat afloat was the bilge pump and some bailing.

Go back to that? No way!
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Well, I've been knocked down a couple of times... while racing. Mast not in the water but close. The key is having a boat that doesnt take water on when it occurs. Most any sailboat should right back up. Some faster than others!
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A few years back, 15 or so years. a cat was racing in a double handed lake huron race and was turtled. both sailors died. experienced sailors I might add.
Two people died 15 years ago? Dangerous, dangerous boats.
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Two people died 15 years ago? Dangerous, dangerous boats.
They need to be banned! Now!
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They need to be banned! Now!
But only the ones with at least one potential capsize characteristic
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(...) So wouldnt the vessel choice for a life at sea be one that pops back up when knocked down 90 degees? (...)
Any well built boat will take a wipe out in her stride.

Light or heavy, she must be built to survive at least one bad wave - a roller of what seems from onboard a monstrous size (it is a frightened brain's trick as we all know only the top of the wave is actually rolling).

Cat or mono is more of a budget and lifestyle choice: not all mono sailors can afford a cat and not all cat sailors like the endless and nauseating roll of a monohull.

Take any good design in good condition and she may be way tougher than the guy behind the wheel.

Sail safe.
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I been knocked down a bunch of times.

Oh, windsurfers count, right?
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I been knocked down a bunch of times.

Oh, windsurfers count, right?
Holy crap! Do those self-right? Only a nut would sail one!!
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