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Old 11-01-2012, 12:26   #16
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Re: Killer Whales Attack

I'd take that video with a grain of salt. There are no documented cases of an orca killing a human outside of captivity and one of a human being bit. Ther are, however, many documented cases of youtube videos being hoaxes.

I would be interested in seeing the news report that accompanied this attack.
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Re: Killer Whales Attack- FAKE

This was a fake video for a pencil commercial in the DR.

snopes.com: Killer Whale
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Re: Killer Whales Attack

Definitely a fake vid. However, there have been documented cases of killer's attacking and sinking boats. In fact Dougal Robertson, of "Survive the Savage Sea" fame, had his 43' schooner sunk out from under him in less than three minutes. Research has been done, and there is a theory that wooden boats hull timbers creaking is transmitted through the water and can sound like whale smack talk. Apparently only wooden boats have been attacked.


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Research has been done, and there is a theory that wooden boats hull timbers creaking is transmitted through the water and can sound like whale smack talk. Apparently only wooden boats have been attacked.
Wooden boats talking smack! That's funny ... at least until a whale takes offence!
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Definitely a fake vid. However, there have been documented cases of killer's attacking and sinking boats. In fact Dougal Robertson, of "Survive the Savage Sea" fame, had his 43' schooner sunk out from under him in less than three minutes. Research has been done, and there is a theory that wooden boats hull timbers creaking is transmitted through the water and can sound like whale smack talk. Apparently only wooden boats have been attacked.


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I've read Dougal's book and remain skeptical. It was a very stressful time, and I'm not convinced that we can be sure he was sunk by a pod of killer whales given that this behaviour is extremely unusual (unheard of) in the species.

I'd be really interested to know more about the other cases and research that you reference. Can you tell us more?
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Re: Killer Whales Attack

I did a bit of research and found not very much. However, there is an interesting article here: A Killer Whale Orcinus Orca Attacks and Sinks a Sailing Boat

This appears to be a decent source, though I don't know the journal. It was written in 1977. It recounts the story of a sinking by killer whale and seems pretty believable. However, the title says the whale attacked the boat and I see no evidence in the article that that was the case. There was a single impact near the bow of the boat. They even thought the whale involved was trying to support the boat afterwards.

Sounds a lot more like a collision than an attack to me.

They quote other historical examples and in all but Dougal's case, the whale had been harpooned or netted before the "attack." Not sure that counts.

Interestingly, according to the article, Dougal had about 20 killer whales around his boat. Residents don't hang out that far offshore and transients travel in much smaller pods, so he must have seen offshore killer whales (if he saw killer whales at all). Offshores were only discovered in 1988 and not that much is known about them. They seem to eat nothing but the livers of sharks (which is pretty bad-ass). Of course, it looks to me that they've only found offshore killer whales north of Mexico so far. Nothing where Dougal was sunk (not to say they couldn't be there and not been seen).
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Interestingly, according to the article, Dougal had about 20 killer whales around his boat. Residents don't hang out that far offshore and transients travel in much smaller pods, so he must have seen offshore killer whales (if he saw killer whales at all). Offshores were only discovered in 1988 and not that much is known about them. They seem to eat nothing but the livers of sharks (which is pretty bad-ass). Of course, it looks to me that they've only found offshore killer whales north of Mexico so far. Nothing where Dougal was sunk (not to say they couldn't be there and not been seen).
I'm curious about the idea of offshore Orca. This is different clearly from the migratory Orca which eat seals primarily but wouldn't they be in open ocean for part of their year?
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Met a pack of 10 Orca on my 1st transatlantic... appeared one evening and circled the boat eyeballing me... leader had a massive dorsal... looked to be as tall as me.
Scared the bejeazus outa me for a bit... only experience of Orca before was in a movie house and that one ate a 40ft fishing boat...
Anyway after a while they settled down astern and stayed the night... next morning they headed of about 7am and I thought that was the end of them... but that evening.. and about 60miles further on they showed up again... this lasted 5 days till one day they did not return... figure we sharing the same route for a while... awesome experience I'll never forget
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Met a pack of 10 Orca on my 1st transatlantic... appeared one evening and circled the boat eyeballing me... leader had a massive dorsal... looked to be as tall as me.
Scared the bejeazus outa me for a bit... only experience of Orca before was in a movie house and that one ate a 40ft fishing boat...
Anyway after a while they settled down astern and stayed the night... next morning they headed of about 7am and I thought that was the end of them... but that evening.. and about 60miles further on they showed up again... this lasted 5 days till one day they did not return... figure we sharing the same route for a while... awesome experience I'll never forget
Wow, that is incredible!

I've never had a repeat experience like that. I have had a couple come and play within feet of my wife and I in our kayak, though. A little tense, but very cool. We saw them turn towards us in the distance and then didn't see anything until they glided under the kayak about three feet down, on their sides so they could look us over. They spent a good five minutes swimming around splashing fins, etc. before taking off. They were transients, we later discovered (photo ID based on saddle patches).
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I'm curious about the idea of offshore Orca. This is different clearly from the migratory Orca which eat seals primarily but wouldn't they be in open ocean for part of their year?
Yes, transients are at sea sometimes, and so are residents, actually. And offshores are sometimes seen inshore (have been spotted off Victoria). However, they're distinguished by diet, behaviour, social structure, and even language. Dorsal fins also look different. They're actually considered different species.

Even different resident groups are very distinct in language and diet and don't interbreed.
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Re: Killer Whales Attack

I have had a very close call in the Straight of Juan de Fuca. Me and an Orca were on a 180 degree collision course. I saw his dorsal fin a mile or two ahead and paid little attention while reading a book /autopilot on. (seems like whenever I try to get nearer to them they disappear) Nice clear day. I then forgot about him until suddenly, there's his dorsal fin at my bow and passing maybe 6 ft from the side of the boat... he never slowed, never looked. I think maybe they sometimes have an autopilot mode also!...as opposed to when they are feeding etc.
Seems like I've read the offshore variety will kill a whale by ramming it repeatedly. If so, I could see how an underbody of a sailboat could get rammed... albeit rare.
I'm one of these people that believe wild animals are.... well...... wild!.... and unpredictable. (just ask the boys who train the tigers in Vegas or Steve Irwin)
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This isnt about killer whales, but about whale encounters in general. When cruising in the mid 70s I met a bar tender in Cabo San Lucas that told me a story that I didnt believe at the time ,but was entertained by it. He said he and some friends had left from Mexico for the Marquesas in a Pivar trimaran and about a week out had been struck by a whale that holed the main hull. They had been sailing along with whales in site for a while , but when one of the crew put on some loud music , a whale came and struck them and then the whales disappeared. It took them 3 weeks to wallow back to the coast and they never sailed again. I took this as a bartenders story and didnt think much of it. Years later I told this to a friend in Santa Cruz, Calif and he told me that he and 2 friends were between Mexico and the Marquesas in a 33 foot racing trimaran in the early 70s and were sailing in a pod of what he thought were pilot whales for about an hour, when one of the crew came on deck and started playing his flute. Within a minute a whale charged them and stove in the main hull and then all of the whales disappeared . Being young strong surfer types, the crew took apart some cabinetry in the boat to get a piece of plywood and went over the side and patched the hole. He said they did almost 200 miles the next 24 hours. The friend that told me this was never prone to exaggerate anything and I trust his word completely . It can and has happened. On a delivery from Hawaii to California in the early 90s I was asleep below when I heard my wife scream. She is never afraid of anything and I was shocked. I ran to the cockpit and she was shaking because we had almost collided with a whale shark. She said it was green and mottled and almost as wide and long as the 44 foot boat we were on. I consider the whale shark as one of the gentlest beasts in the ocean but if we had ridden up over it , we might have been damaged in its panic. Even tho it is very very rare, there are things out there that can hurt you. The odds of a dangerous encounter are probably worse driving to work in the morning than they are sailing but SH@# can happen.____Grant.
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Hmmm.... Once crossing the Sea of Cortez at night, a couple whales swam along with us for about 1/2 hour. They were so close to the hull that I could smell their fishy breath when they breathed! I puton some rock and roll real loud trying to make sure they were aware I wasnt another whale in their territory. started the engine after that also. They didnt care and just keept trucking along until they just peeled off and left. I guess it was an escort! Now I wonder if I should have played the rock and roll! Maybe they like it better than Brahms.....
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"Oh those cute killer whales....."
This very short video IS NOT FOR THE WEAK OF HEART! IF YOU ARE EASILY UPSET DO NOT WATCH IT.
Whoa! Is that for real?
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