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Old 02-08-2013, 22:11   #1
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I just went to look at a Hunter 34 that seems to be in very good condition, with this one glaring exception. I should have included something in the picture for scale, but it's about a foot long. I'm assuming this was from a hard grounding? Is this a major issue? Like I said, the rest of the boat seems to be in very good shape. Is this a complete 'walk away' type of issue? If not, what would a repair cost?
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Re: Keel Damage

Hard to say,to me looks rusty iron , try to found the stub keel joint if there is any and see if there is any big gap or crack there, normally in a fin keel in case of a grounding the most likely area to suffer damaged is the aft part of the keel hull joint, any cracks or structural damage inside?
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This (pictured) was the only damage I could see on any party of the keel. The keel bolts liked fine too. There appeared to be no damage to the aft end of the keel at all. This boat has been on the hard for over a year, if that means anything.
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Yes , if is Iron, Iron rust, no idea where is located the boat, cold or hot climate, best way to be sure is ask a surveyor, in your shoes i want grinder operation along the joint before to make a ofert , if keel bolts looks good , no cracks inside or loose tabing, next move if the actual owner refuse to grind the damage is to put the boat in a travelift , and see if there is any evidence of keel shift or if the joint got a big gap with the boat in the air, keel hull joint looks ok with the weight resting in the keel, in the travelift could be diferent. Is up to you but i will take a keel suspicious area seriously...Cheers...
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Re: Keel Damage

Blue-green colored corrosion...check the keel for any dents/bangs due to hitting bottom...check for keel/hull separation, even a few mm separation...it looks like there was water leakage to the inside of the keel/hull connection...you'll always wonder what happened to this boat...keel/hull work is very pricey; walk away from this boat, is my conclusion. Good luck!

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Don't walk away. Run. Don't look back.
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Re: Keel Damage

It doesn't look like damage from a keel collision since there are no strike marks or dents. Also at least from this picture the keel/hull joint looks intact.

This is not an uncommon condition, although yours is fair large. If you walk a few boatyards you are likely to see some similar keel cracks in other boats.

The only proper fix is to grind down to the lead or iron and start from there.
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Re: Keel Damage

Difficult to tell from the photo but what is the other side like? and are the marks just rust patches or is there a crack hidden under the rust too?

If its just surface rust then best guess is the yacht hit something floating like a fridge may be?

You are lucky to be able to see that, because an hour with an angle grinder, some epoxy then new antifoul, I could make that disappear and you would be none the wiser.

Worth asking some serious questions and take a screw driver to the rust to see what's underneath.

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Re: Keel Damage

Iron keel .... almost impossible to dent or crack. No one here (or anywhere else) can tell you anything from that picture. Hire someone who knows what to look for.
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Re: Keel Damage

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Iron keel .... almost impossible to dent or crack.
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No one here (or anywhere else) can tell you anything from that picture. Hire someone who knows what to look for.
Don't think we are, I think the forum is suggesting what measures to take now.

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If you want to check if she's bottomed hard lift the boards and check the area round the keel bolts... the front ones will be sitting in an indentation... whereas aft bolts region will be flat.
One boat I looked over had the heads covered in mastic... claimed to keep bilge water away from the bolts... however when I removed the mastic from the 1st two there was clear evidence she bumped at speed... no serious visible damage but... as the owner had claimed a perfect history I walked..
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I'd have a surveyor look at that for sure before I bought it.
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Re: Keel Damage

[QUOTE=Pete7;1301033]Like this one?


Can't tell what happened from that photo either but if that keel cracked from impact there would have been very, very obvious damage in the keel sump (if one was even there anymore). I believe OP said no other visible damage inside or out.
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Re: Keel Damage

I would check the bolts. Are they clean?

Then one can remove the outer layers with a grinder and inspect the joint.

The seller will have to discount for the damage.

If the bolts are in the pockets, I would replace the front ones.

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Don't think we are, I think the forum is suggesting what measures to take now.

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Ouch!

My take is that OP should proceed on the basis that the keel is cracked (as per your photos), until proved otherwise (and likely that only after a visit from Mr Anglegrinder! - and that way beyond any surveyor's inspection!) and then to find out how and cost of fixing that - from your photos looks like removal was the option used, albeit I am sure plenty of other "fixes" are employed short of that.........with varying degrees of success / longevity.

Me no expert on Iron, but would I expect that to happen only from an almighty wallop or a casting imperfection......or a bit of both.

TBH am very surprised the Vendor showed the boat as is, most wouldn't have.........
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