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Old 12-12-2012, 10:41   #91
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Re: It seems the more we look and read, the more confused we get about the boat to bu

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Completely agree. This and most other threads show a real bias toward the poster's own boat or past boats.
And some of us have used our boats as examples for the OP to consider, as did my link.

What they may want to consider is a smaller boat with "big boat" features, like sail handling gear, and also boat systems (heating, engines, etc.). For another example, our Catalina 25 came with all sail handling gear (cunningham, vang, double line reefing, lines led aft) than our later C34, so I was familiar with all the needs for sail handling. The C25 had a hanked on jib, so I added a downhaul and hove to to drop the jib right on the foredeck. Just sayin' that learning how to sail on any given boat should also consider the features that'll teach the OP how to sail, and usually with the bells & whistles comes the knowledge of how to use them, eventually, regardless of what the "starter boat" may be.
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Old 12-12-2012, 16:17   #92
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Re: It seems the more we look and read, the more confused we get about the boat to bu

Part of my thoughts in posting this thread is because a year ago when we first started reading and researching we kept coming across the idea that newer "production" boats Catalina-Beneteau-Hunter were poor choices. We ruled them out thus and focused on small "quality" boats like Dana, Shannon, Nor'Sea, Island Packet. With these we seem to continuously run into price and location issues. We have since been reading accounts of folks sailing RTW in production boats and more folks who have found them a good fit for the sailing they are doing, also have read lots of posts and stories about the frustration of a slow, heavy boat or the time and cash spent bringing an old boat up to date. So we re-evaluated our position and wondered if other folks had gone through similar processes. We really have found everyone's feedback pretty helpful and we see in these debates a lot of what you all identify in terms of people justifying their own purchases which is totally fine. Everyone makes their own choices for their own reasons, ideally with good info which is what we are after. We know we aren't anywhere near to heading RTW and not even sure that is what we want to do. We know a sub-30 foot will be easier to learn on and less cost ideally to maintain and find moorage for. We know we hate layouts with the head beside the vee-berth and that we want a boat with simple systems that will be comfortable for week long trips so that rules out sub-24 feet. We want something we will be able to resell fairly quickly if we decide to do that, and that we won't take a huge financial hit on - few $k would be okay. We'd rather spend our limited budget getting a boat localish than paying big bucks for transport. See, we're getting there!!!

So after all your fabulous feedback we have decided not new, not debt, but ideally not older than 1980s. It could be a "production" and doesn't have to be overbuilt or designed to cross oceans, were going to focus on the local sailing we want to do in the next few years. C&C 29 and Catalina 28 are looking like 2 decent options currently available although the latter is overpriced. Dana, Com-Pac 27, Nor'Sea, Shannon 28 at the right price/ location would be preferred I think but long shots likely. We're not ruling out changing our criteria if a boat deal too good to be true comes our way but that's where we are.

Again, thanks all for sharing your thoughts and experiences.
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Old 12-12-2012, 16:30   #93
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Looks like you're on the right path.

One to consider is the Niagara 31. German Frers design built by Hinterholler, so you have great build quality and a very high performing (for the era) design. I think the head may be by the v-berth, though.

We fell in love with one of these and then decided that it was too small for RTW. Might be perfect for your usage.

1981 Hinterhoeller Niagara 31 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

This one is in Sidney for about $40k. Winter's starting and people are freaking out about winter moorage bills, so you should be able to get it for $25-30k. May be more boat than you want or need, though.
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Oh, and check out Usedvictoria.com. Lots of boats being sold by owner over on the island. Craigslist Vancouver has a lot too, but harder to navigate, I find.
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Re: It seems the more we look and read, the more confused we get about the boat to bu

The high "asking" prices of some of your preferred choices seem to have affected your decision. Keep in mind that asking prices are usually pretty flexible and can become seriously elastic once you put money on the table. It does not cost you anythiong to throw out a low ball offer.
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Old 12-12-2012, 19:38   #96
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Re: It seems the more we look and read, the more confused we get about the boat to bu

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Youll pay a premium for craftmanship all right and there are many to choose from, whether or not that just results in fancy teak cabinets or actually results in so-called "blue water" boat is another thing entirely.



ReMetau could you give me examples , have you owned a "production" boat.


Im really tired with mis-informed elitist claptrap spouted in this thread. Of course there are some prodiuction boats that are not suitable for extended offshore crusing, no matter what you do to them, BUT, on the other hand a modern mid size beneteau, jeanneau, Hanse etc is more then adequate ( notice "adequate") and costs a loss less then fancy ones. And you know what, thats exactly what people are doing with them.

Im not knocking your choice of boat, I see advantages in them and disadvantages , just as I see the same in modern designs. All with a bit of preparation and prudent skippering will get you where you want to go. A fool will loose a quality boat just as fast as a mass produced one.

stop running down perfectly good boats, especially since all you are really doing is justifying your own purchase decision.


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>Im really tired with mis-informed elitist claptrap spouted in this thread. Of
>course there are some prodiuction boats that are not suitable for extended
>offshore crusing, no matter what you do to them..

Dave, your list of unworthy production boats would be a wellspring of information for the Newbie. Don't you think?

Pray tell....

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The high "asking" prices of some of your preferred choices seem to have affected your decision. Keep in mind that asking prices are usually pretty flexible and can become seriously elastic once you put money on the table. It does not cost you anythiong to throw out a low ball offer.
We appreciate the advice and have had serious conversations on a Shannon, a couple Danas, and made an offer on a Nor'Sea. So far, no luck.

These are the experiences that had us trying to broaden the pool of boats we're interested in. And we thought our price points were pretty fair, not lowballs really. After those disappointments, hubby fell in lust with the new Bavaria 33 - hence the buying new consideration.
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Re: It seems the more we look and read, the more confused we get about the boat to bu

Many sellers are trying to break even on their boats, or possibly trying to sell their boat at a price that allows them to buy their own "new" boat. Pricing is not based on market value, but on the seller's desires - which are not always realistic.

A very well priced boat will fall off the market very quickly
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