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Old 12-06-2013, 10:41   #121
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Re: Is There a Caste System in Sailing?

Not really a caste system but there is some snobbery in sailing. I see a little bit of it in here on occasion...therefore this is one of the reasons for our Be Nice rule. Everyone should feel welcome.
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Speaking for me only I have no interest in marina slips or yacht club berths or docks as a place to keep my boat. I avoid them as much as possible preferring to be anchored or on a mooring which I have built to spec.

Marinas are looking for your money and ways to get as much of it as they can. If you are not perceived as a revenue stream they don't want you. Unfortunately apparently some people must use a marina to store there boat. Too bad. You're trapped.

Yacht clubs are social clubs and come with all sorts of activities and percs.. if that is what you want. I don't.

In winter marinas look for in water storage customers... they rent cheap.
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Old 12-06-2013, 11:27   #125
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In the US, the "yacht" snobbery has been implanted in many of us from childhood.

I still remember the Bugs Bunny/Elmer Fudd cartoon with the line:

"I am Elmer J. Fudd, millionaire. I own a mansion and a yacht."

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Funny what being wealthy can do to some peoples self-image of being superior. Money does not make you a better person, you do that for yourself mostly by your good deeds and how well you treat others. In the end this is how people will remember you.
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Joking aside...
What boat someone has or how they talk has nothing to do with it..
I don't envy anyone their boat.. don't really have a dream boat...

We get on... Great.!! 2 friends..
We don't... Great..!! just another coupla a$$^oles..

But... we're no longer strangers...
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Funny what being wealthy can do to some peoples images of themselves. Money does not make who you are, you do that for yourself mostly by your good deeds and how well you treat others. In the end this is how people will remember you.
Not just money, but other titles too.

Someone with a Doctorate will have higher social regard than a plumber.
In people's minds, a Ph.D. equates with intelligence, a plumber brings the visualization of "plumber's crack." The plumber will usually make more money than a college professor.

In other circles, a person with a hereditary title will have more people fawning over them than a billionaire investor, even though the person with the title will be deep in debt.

I like the scene from the Forrest Gump where Forrest and Jenny are talking about their futures:

Jenny Curran: Do you ever dream, Forrest, about who you're gonna be?
Forrest Gump: Who I'm gonna be?
Jenny Curran: Yeah.
Forrest Gump: Aren't I gonna to be me?

Too bad that more people can't just be themselves.

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I'm not sure what "dock jockeys" are, but if they are the dock workers and managers and the service personel that cater to the wealthy; then, I agree that they are more prone to support the "caste" system than those who are members of the most wealthy. ..............or do you mean "dock jockeys" as those that aspire to be sailors. but don't actually take on any adventure? Either way, I believe you are correct!
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Re: Is There a Caste System in Sailing?

At the age of 65 while spending my fourth hurricane season in Trinidad, a fellow cruiser asked me which college I'd graduated from.

So yes, for some the caste system is important.
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Hunter? Isn't that what my housekeeper lives in up the river?
No no...that's down by the river in a van!

Of course there are snobs.. The daily problems of the wealthy are very different from regular folks. As long as one does not incorrectly assume that a middle class person has something in common with wealth you will not be miss apprehended. That said I have found folks who earned their wealth to often be smarter than the average bear.

I sometimes get looks from some folks when I show up to do a dirty job dressed appropriately for the job. Those who prefer to write checks are different from those who prefer to master a task.

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No no...that's down by the river in a van!

Of course there are snobs.. The daily problems of the wealthy are very different from regular folks. As long as one does not incorrectly assume that a middle class person has something in common with wealth you will not be miss apprehended. That said I have found folks who earned their wealth to often be smarter than the average bear.

I sometimes get looks from some folks when I show up to do a dirty job dressed appropriately for the job. Those who prefer to write checks are different from those who prefer to master a task.

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Not just money, but other titles too.

Someone with a Doctorate will have higher social regard than a plumber.
In people's minds, a Ph.D. equates with intelligence, a plumber brings the visualization of "plumber's crack." The plumber will usually make more money than a college professor.

In other circles, a person with a hereditary title will have more people fawning over them than a billionaire investor, even though the person with the title will be deep in debt.

I like the scene from the Forrest Gump where Forrest and Jenny are talking about their futures:

Jenny Curran: Do you ever dream, Forrest, about who you're gonna be?
Forrest Gump: Who I'm gonna be?
Jenny Curran: Yeah.
Forrest Gump: Aren't I gonna to be me?

Too bad that more people can't just be themselves.

Reminds me of the plumber working on an attorney's bathroom in a New York apartment.

The attorney says to the plumber, "How much are you charging me for this work?"

The plumber says, "I charge $800 buck an hour!"

The attorney muses, "My God, I should be plumber too!"

The plumber responds, "Yea I know what you mean, I used to be an attorney myself."
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In so far as our social caste system extends out onto the water the point is valid. However, there are limits. I was out in a good 35 to 40 knot blow in April ripping along at 8 knots watching the 60 ft sleds glide by at 14 knots. A crew in a 30 foot racer had an accidental jibe, broached and got knocked down repeatedly till they could cut the chute loose. All of the vessels out there were equally concerned that every one onboard had remained onboard and there were no injuries. There were no problems other than embarrassment, thankfully. So we all sailed on, waving goodbye to the uber Caste sleds as the pulled away.

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I guess I'll stay out of this discussion. Just remember next time you see a plane on floats landing near you; it is considered as a boat!!!

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