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Old 11-06-2013, 17:40   #106
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I sure don't want some guy with movie star looks and a 60 foot carbon fibre masterpiece hanging around me and making me look like a loser...

What??? I'm sorry you think that way.
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What??? I'm sorry you think that way.

You ever hear the concept that you would get the leftovers and maybe they wouldn't be all that bad?

Seriously, most actors just want to be accepted for who they are just like anyone else. If you're both sailing, you've got that in common. You think johnny Depp doesn't talk to other sailors?
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Old 11-06-2013, 17:54   #108
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I sure don't want some guy with movie star looks and a 60 foot carbon fibre masterpiece hanging around me and making me look like a loser...
I better move then !!! Lol , don't want to be showing u up.

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Thought he had a motor boat...
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Re: Is There a Caste System in Sailing?

Rakuflames has a point, they'll throw some pretty good stuff in the bin.....
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I didn't say there was anything wrong with it.


It's human nature. Like is attracted to like. That doesn't make it a quasi-caste system. One can't move out of one's caste. A person can change where or how he or she sails at any time. If I had a mind to, I could sell my coastal cruiser for a bluewater boat. But at my age I'm not inclined to do that solo, and I don't have a husband or "significant other" to cross the Atlantic with. I'm thrilled that I'm able to do what I can do.
I think I'm definitely at a stage in my life where I don't think one particular group of mariners is "better" than others. I do think people with more sea time doing more challenging things are better mariners and sailors in general, which doesn't really seem arguable.

But when I meet people now who have scaled down sailing goals I don't really dismiss it out of hand because I know that one day that will be me. One of the best tug captains I know who works for Crowley has a catamaran and snowbirds down here, drinking beer and buzzing about in the Sea of Cortez.
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Old 11-06-2013, 23:22   #112
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Where I grew up, the local marinas represented class, status and wealth. And I don't believe much has changed.
You know, this was my experience with "golfing" in North England - so ingrained in me became the inverse-snobbery, that when my texan wife gleefully suggested she buy me a 'Pringle' sweater, my immediate and dastardly response was "f*ck off! did you know that those 11 diamonds emblazoned on the front are code understood by everybody to spell out 'Daddy's little w*nker!?'"

This was contrasted by my experience in Norway where owning some form of sailboat was a birth-right to be enjoyed by all: without any element of "sailing is the provence of Kings: like polo or falconry" which I've partly experienced in the US (the perception of lubbers: the sailors i've met have been good folk!)

It's interesting and yet shameful to consider how
differing nationalities use various past-times and interests as indicators of socio-economic status primarily as a means to put others down.
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Old 12-06-2013, 00:36   #113
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I think I'm definitely at a stage in my life where I don't think one particular group of mariners is "better" than others. I do think people with more sea time doing more challenging things are better mariners and sailors in general, which doesn't really seem arguable.

But when I meet people now who have scaled down sailing goals I don't really dismiss it out of hand because I know that one day that will be me. One of the best tug captains I know who works for Crowley has a catamaran and snowbirds down here, drinking beer and buzzing about in the Sea of Cortez.

That's my circumstance. I love to sail, but I don't have a death wish, and realistically I know I'm not going to sail to the Canary Islands ... not on my boat, and certainly not by myself. I want someone with me who can call for help if I have a medical emergency. I don't EXPECT one -- at my last trip to the doctor's my blood pressure was 112/76; there's no sign of diabetes or anything else to worry about .... but I also know that at my age, emergencies can drop out of the sky seemingly out of nowhere.

To crew on someone else's boat for a major trip, however -- THAT would be awesome. Starting to sail at 62 brought limitations with it, but is far better than never having followed that dream.
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You ever hear the concept that you would get the leftovers and maybe they wouldn't be all that bad?

Seriously, most actors just want to be accepted for who they are just like anyone else. If you're both sailing, you've got that in common. You think johnny Depp doesn't talk to other sailors?
I would help out Mr. Depp if he asked me politely. But I would much rather talk to Lynn and Larry.:-)
I would much rather sweep the docks in a remote paradise that be king in Hollywood. But that's just me.
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I would help out Mr. Depp if he asked me politely. But I would much rather talk to Lynn and Larry.:-)
I would much rather sweep the docks in a remote paradise that be king in Hollywood. But that's just me.

Well I meant, come across while sailing. Johnny Depp loves to sail. Of course he has a HUGE sailboat probably with every possible modern convenience, but I think -- scratch the surface and you'll find a sailor, not a snob.
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Well I meant, come across while sailing. Johnny Depp loves to sail. Of course he has a HUGE sailboat probably with every possible modern convenience, but I think -- scratch the surface and you'll find a sailor, not a snob.
Aren't those "scissorhands" hard on the sheets?
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Aren't those "scissorhands" hard on the sheets?

If you're determined you can overcome handicaps.

Actually people stare at him more because of the tangled hair, weird hat and confused sexuality.
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I look down on him...
He's motor...

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I look down on him...
He's motor...

He also sails. Really.

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Apparently, you can charter Johnny Depp's boat for $130K a week.

I'm guessing that's just some sort of tax dodge, though.
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