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29-05-2017, 22:17
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: Aspen USA
Boat: 10' surfboard
Posts: 148
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I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...
Just thought I'd whack the hornets nest with a broom here.
Full keels are not dying out, they are dead. broaching in big waves, nd swamped cockpits, so heavy you need a turbo on the big diesel, bow sprits closing on 10 feet long, and the lee way OMG, trying to park or drive in reverse don't even bother
SSB installation at $6000 plus ya gotta have the whatever mail program and a computer to decipher morse code into weather maps, complexity, confusion, waiting to connect to the source, sunspots, and huge power consumption. A satellite solution is so quick, simple, easy, and cheaper.
Luke anchors that are effective are so heavy a literal crane aboard is needed to drag it out of the bilge, mantis or rocna on a chain is the latest thang.
Hard dinghy with oars? Cmon! no body uses this ancient stuff anymore. 30+ horsepower and a RIB gets us there in style well dressed not blown out to sea, capsized, sunk or paddling around against the current for hours.
tan barked canvas sails, tarred hemp lines, blocks a plenty to increase purchase vs a big ol electric winch and full battened laminate wings. guess who gets to port quicker, and who weathers the storm from plodding along at snail pace?
Paper charts? as a place mat maybe.
A mono hull? ya gotta be kidding. old news. cats are all that counts anymore.
A windvane? are you serious?! with modern wind aware below deck autopilots connected to the nmea networked chartplotter why even throw away the money on such an antique?
A boat of any kind under 40 feet? only lunatics would make any passage over 50 miles from shore or 10 hours on such a dangerous vessel
Catching rain is so 1970. do you use a tye dye tarp for that? time to get with the water making program. nice water jugs strapped to your stays and shrouds. looks quaint.
rice and beans? no. refrigeration yes.
It all flows the way of the loran and the sextant.
Yeah, I'm being a bit of a smart a$$.
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30-05-2017, 00:45
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Nice, France
Boat: Hunter Marine 38
Posts: 1,342
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Re: I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...
Shouldn't this be in the thread "Grumpy old man...."?
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30-05-2017, 00:56
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Moderator and Certifiable Refitter
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: South of 43 S, Australia
Boat: C.L.O.D.
Posts: 20,242
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Re: I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...
Quote:
Originally Posted by nematon785
Just thought I'd whack the hornets nest with a broom here.
Full keels are not dying out, they are dead. broaching in big waves, nd swamped cockpits, so heavy you need a turbo on the big diesel, bow sprits closing on 10 feet long, and the lee way OMG, trying to park or drive in reverse don't even bother
SSB installation at $6000 plus ya gotta have the whatever mail program and a computer to decipher morse code into weather maps, complexity, confusion, waiting to connect to the source, sunspots, and huge power consumption. A satellite solution is so quick, simple, easy, and cheaper.
Luke anchors that are effective are so heavy a literal crane aboard is needed to drag it out of the bilge, mantis or rocna on a chain is the latest thang.
Hard dinghy with oars? Cmon! no body uses this ancient stuff anymore. 30+ horsepower and a RIB gets us there in style well dressed not blown out to sea, capsized, sunk or paddling around against the current for hours.
tan barked canvas sails, tarred hemp lines, blocks a plenty to increase purchase vs a big ol electric winch and full battened laminate wings. guess who gets to port quicker, and who weathers the storm from plodding along at snail pace?
Paper charts? as a place mat maybe.
A mono hull? ya gotta be kidding. old news. cats are all that counts anymore.
A windvane? are you serious?! with modern wind aware below deck autopilots connected to the nmea networked chartplotter why even throw away the money on such an antique?
A boat of any kind under 40 feet? only lunatics would make any passage over 50 miles from shore or 10 hours on such a dangerous vessel
Catching rain is so 1970. do you use a tye dye tarp for that? time to get with the water making program. nice water jugs strapped to your stays and shrouds. looks quaint.
rice and beans? no. refrigeration yes.
It all flows the way of the loran and the sextant.
Yeah, I'm being a bit of a smart a$$.
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Yeah I hear you...
BTW, how is that 10' surfboard working out?
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30-05-2017, 00:59
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Sydney Australia
Boat: Fisher pilothouse sloop 32'
Posts: 3,413
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Re: I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...
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Originally Posted by sailormed
Shouldn't this be in the thread "Grumpy old man...."?
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Nah, just a dickhead with a 10 ft surfboard! Probably not old enough to qualify for that.
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Rob aka Uncle Bob Sydney Australia.
Life is 10% the cards you are dealt, 90% how you play em
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30-05-2017, 01:18
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cruiser
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Pangaea
Posts: 10,856
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Re: I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...
The ultimate troll post.
Awesome.
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30-05-2017, 01:39
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#6
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Senior Cruiser
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Port Moresby,Papua New Guinea
Boat: FP Belize Maestro 43 and OPBs
Posts: 12,888
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Re: I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenomac
The ultimate troll post.
Awesome.
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He forgot to mention guns
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30-05-2017, 02:11
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#7
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Australia
Boat: Island Packet 40
Posts: 6,416
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Re: I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...
Yeah, and what about climate change?
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30-05-2017, 03:23
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#8
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Western Caribbean
Boat: 38/41 Fountains pajot
Posts: 3,060
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Re: I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...
Agree with him on the ssb. So many easier / cheaper ways now that don't require you to sit there making noise at 2 am.
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30-05-2017, 03:55
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 11,002
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Re: I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...
Total troll post and 98% true.
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30-05-2017, 04:39
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S/V rubber ducky
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: heading "south"
Boat: Hunter 410
Posts: 20,362
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Re: I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...
Quote:
Originally Posted by nematon785
Just thought I'd whack the hornets nest with a broom here.
Full keels are not dying out, they are dead. broaching in big waves, nd swamped cockpits, so heavy you need a turbo on the big diesel, bow sprits closing on 10 feet long, and the lee way OMG, trying to park or drive in reverse don't even bother
SSB installation at $6000 plus ya gotta have the whatever mail program and a computer to decipher morse code into weather maps, complexity, confusion, waiting to connect to the source, sunspots, and huge power consumption. A satellite solution is so quick, simple, easy, and cheaper.
Luke anchors that are effective are so heavy a literal crane aboard is needed to drag it out of the bilge, mantis or rocna on a chain is the latest thang.
Hard dinghy with oars? Cmon! no body uses this ancient stuff anymore. 30+ horsepower and a RIB gets us there in style well dressed not blown out to sea, capsized, sunk or paddling around against the current for hours.
tan barked canvas sails, tarred hemp lines, blocks a plenty to increase purchase vs a big ol electric winch and full battened laminate wings. guess who gets to port quicker, and who weathers the storm from plodding along at snail pace?
Paper charts? as a place mat maybe.
A mono hull? ya gotta be kidding. old news. cats are all that counts anymore.
A windvane? are you serious?! with modern wind aware below deck autopilots connected to the nmea networked chartplotter why even throw away the money on such an antique?
A boat of any kind under 40 feet? only lunatics would make any passage over 50 miles from shore or 10 hours on such a dangerous vessel
Catching rain is so 1970. do you use a tye dye tarp for that? time to get with the water making program. nice water jugs strapped to your stays and shrouds. looks quaint.
rice and beans? no. refrigeration yes.
It all flows the way of the loran and the sextant.
Yeah, I'm being a bit of a smart a$$.
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You got it except
- paper charts are still around and selling
-monohulls are very much alive and well out in the cruising world
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30-05-2017, 07:43
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cat herder, extreme blacksheep
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
Boat: 1976 FORMOSA yankee clipper 41
Posts: 18,967
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Re: I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...
hahahahahahahahaha
i woudnot change my full keel monohull for any thing you felt like sitting in front of me except a formosa 51. that i would take. err trade for. oh they are also full keel heavy cruisers.
trolls are excellent baked after parboiling.
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30-05-2017, 08:44
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#12
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2014
Location: So Cal
Boat: Beneteau 38 Nordlund 72, Marquess 55, Jenneau 49
Posts: 541
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Re: I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...
Quote:
Originally Posted by zeehag
hahahahahahahahaha
i woudnot change my full keel monohull for any thing you felt like sitting in front of me except a formosa 51. that i would take. err trade for. oh they are also full keel heavy cruisers.
trolls are excellent baked after parboiling.
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Good Morning Zee. There is some crazy guy trying to get 40K for a Formosa 51 partnership down in Costa Rica or something. He has been advertising on LA CL for years. Calling it the Captain Ron Boat. he wants to bring it up to LA for Charter. He wanted to buy some 3/8 BBB from me once and spent about 30 minutes trying to convince me to take him and the chain to Costa Rica on my boat for a couple hundred dollars. I bet you could make him an offer and pick it up cheap. Just checked, yep he is still there
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...111928242.html
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30-05-2017, 08:46
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#13
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Manila, California
Boat: Cape George pilothouse 36 and a Cape Dory 25
Posts: 608
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Re: I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...
I noticed that when we bashed back to California every single fin keel or catamaran we encountered was being professionally delivered and every full keel boat we met was being sailed home by it's owners. Not saying no one wanted to beat themselves up pounding to windward in their own fin keel boat, we just did not find them. The two boats previous to our Cape George were a 36' Bill Lee design and a Santana 525. Really fun to sail, but I would not dream of a 1000 mile beat to windward against the current in one. I suspect that in Aspen, at about 8,000 ft above the sea, that most of the year you would need to keep your elephants indoors. We have and use a sextant, just because we like math pretty much though.
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30-05-2017, 08:57
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#14
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Oriental, NC
Boat: Baba 40
Posts: 501
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Re: I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...
<<Yeah, I'm being a bit of a smart a$$>
Don't sell yourself short, Nemo....
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30-05-2017, 09:00
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#15
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Registered User
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: New York, New York
Boat: Dufour Safari 27'
Posts: 1,907
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Re: I'll acknowledge the elephant in the room...Full keel is dead... ssb is dead...
Quote:
Originally Posted by fatherchronica
We have and use a sextant, just because we like math pretty much though.
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There are three kinds of people in this world; those who are good with math and those who aren't!
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