Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 09-01-2014, 06:56   #286
Registered User
 
Cormorant's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Catskill Mountains when not cruising
Boat: 31' homebuilt Michalak-designed Cormorant "Sea Fever"
Posts: 2,073
Re: ICW "Pirates". Have you Seen?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Therapy View Post
It sounds like weasel speak to me.
Sorry . . . can't help myself . . . this reminded me of this:

"Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals. Except the weasel."
-- Homer Simpson
Attached Images
 
__________________

__________________
Cormorant is offline  
Old 09-01-2014, 06:56   #287
Registered User
 
Sand crab's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Gig Harbor, WA
Boat: 34' Crowther tri sold 16' Kayak now
Posts: 3,157
Re: ICW "Pirates". Have you Seen?

I don't get the "fugitive from justice" part and I'm sure it has nothing to do with the issue in the states. Entering the Bahamas without checking in would be a different crime in my view. Something like illegal immigration.
I did a search on the Bahamanian Government website looking for a jail or prison inmate roster like we have here in the states but couldn't find any. Is there one?
__________________

__________________
We don't need no stinking badges.
Sand crab is offline  
Old 09-01-2014, 07:19   #288
Freelance Delivery Skipper..
 
boatman61's Avatar

Community Sponsor
Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: PORTUGAL
Posts: 20,217
Images: 2
pirate Re: ICW "Pirates". Have you Seen?

Do you need 'Clearance' from the States to enter Bahamian waters.. as a US or foreign citizen..?
Also is it not possible that news of their escapades have travelled down the InterWeb to there.. contrary to many I do believe that Forums are monitored.. bet there's a few 'Security Personnel' who are active cruisers/sailors...
Lets face it.. if something comes up that's dubious.. are you gonna stay stuhum.. or are you gonna mention it... if it concerns your job.
Damn sure there's a few CG.. Police etc on the membership
__________________


Born To Be Wild
boatman61 is offline  
Old 09-01-2014, 07:27   #289
Registered User

Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Charleston, SC
Boat: Tayana 37
Posts: 704
Re: ICW "Pirates". Have you Seen?

Quote:
Originally Posted by boatman61 View Post
Do you need 'Clearance' from the States to enter Bahamian waters.. as a US or foreign citizen..?
Also is it not possible that news of their escapades have travelled down the InterWeb to there.. contrary to many I do believe that Forums are monitored.. bet there's a few 'Security Personnel' who are active cruisers/sailors...
Lets face it.. if something comes up that's dubious.. are you gonna stay stuhum.. or are you gonna mention it... if it concerns your job.
Damn sure there's a few CG.. Police etc on the membership
I'm sure there are. I'm USCGAux myself. Would not surprise me in the least if there were a few AD in here.

Sent from my HTC6500LVW using Cruisers Sailing Forum mobile app
__________________
Kevin84 is offline  
Old 09-01-2014, 07:50   #290
Registered User
 
Sand crab's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Gig Harbor, WA
Boat: 34' Crowther tri sold 16' Kayak now
Posts: 3,157
Re: ICW "Pirates". Have you Seen?

US citizens and US pleasure boats do not have to clear out of the US. This non-requirement creates problems for boats entering Mexico because they want a Zarpe which the US doesn't issue. So they use this form which is for commercial craft.
http://commutercruiser.com/wp-conten..._Form_1300.pdf
Foreign vessels and foreign citizens do have to clear out. I wonder if they cleared out?
I want to point out that they broke no US federal law other than possibly not clearing out. Failing to pay a judgement is not a crime so I'm pretty sure the Bahamian law enforcement wouldn't get involved with that.
__________________
We don't need no stinking badges.
Sand crab is offline  
Old 09-01-2014, 08:34   #291
Registered User
 
Sail323's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2010
Boat: Pearson 323
Posts: 52
Re: ICW "Pirates". Have you Seen?

Cruiser's Net » Archive » S/V Primadonna Located in Bahamas
__________________
Sail323 is offline  
Old 19-01-2014, 07:23   #292
Marine Service Provider

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: north carolina
Boat: command yachtsdouglas32
Posts: 3,113
Re: ICW "Pirates". Have you Seen?

I heard somewhere that a ship had been "Pirated" in the red sea,wonder if these folks had something to do with it..They dont look like Somalis,but who knows?
__________________
tropicalescape is offline  
Old 25-01-2014, 15:37   #293
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2013
Boat: CD25
Posts: 69
Re: ICW "Pirates". Have you Seen?

Any news on what happened to Primadona and crew?
__________________
Peter1949 is offline  
Old 30-01-2014, 18:47   #294
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Stuck on an island in Florida
Posts: 264
Re: ICW "Pirates". Have you Seen?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonk View Post
... No offence meant and I didn’t imply any deliberate lack of due diligence on your part. But, again, in my opinion, the question that needed to be asked is what happens when, once we become accustomed to these ‘manhunts,’ on cruisersforum, we end up persecuting innocent people? Or publicly persecuting people that simply don’t deserve it? That was the point I was trying to make.
Well, using your reasoning, nobody on earth has a reason to hunt for anyone, or to encourage a hunt for anyone...

Not even murder? hit and run? child abuse? God forbid we could put someone under suspicion for those also...
__________________
Miniyot is offline  
Old 30-01-2014, 19:05   #295
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Paradise
Boat: Various
Posts: 2,360
Re: ICW "Pirates". Have you Seen?

Their clearing in was quite suspect itself and I doubt seriously they cleared out.

As to crimes, they aren't wanted for any crime in the US and most certainly the Bahamian government does not care about their small civil issue. The local prosecutor in Oriental wasn't even interested.

If they are in trouble in the Bahama's, then it's likely over failing to clear, failure to pay a cruising fee or other crimes committed there.

Now, the assertion they have been detained or arrested is from a somewhat biased source and has never been confirmed.

They are petty thieves and annoyances, taking advantage when they can. Something tells me they probably left a trail before they reached the US. And they'll continue along the same ways. If they do get detained briefly along the way I don't think that will change a thing.
__________________
BandB is offline  
Old 31-01-2014, 06:52   #296
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Penobscot Bay, Maine
Boat: Tayana 47
Posts: 995
Re: ICW "Pirates". Have you Seen?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BandB View Post
Their clearing in was quite suspect itself and I doubt seriously they cleared out.

As to crimes, they aren't wanted for any crime in the US and most certainly the Bahamian government does not care about their small civil issue. The local prosecutor in Oriental wasn't even interested.

If they are in trouble in the Bahama's, then it's likely over failing to clear, failure to pay a cruising fee or other crimes committed there.

Now, the assertion they have been detained or arrested is from a somewhat biased source and has never been confirmed.

They are petty thieves and annoyances, taking advantage when they can. Something tells me they probably left a trail before they reached the US. And they'll continue along the same ways. If they do get detained briefly along the way I don't think that will change a thing.
I think you're probably right. They'll continue prevailing on good people's natural kindness and willingness to help others but word is spreading about them and their real punishment may come when they arrive in a new harbor of what they assume are potential scammees and it turns out that many cruisers and marine related businesses ashore know about them and will turn a cold shoulder to them instead of doing them "just one small favor." I'm friends with most of the owners of the marine related businesses in my harbor and I would certainly make them aware of these two if they showed up someday.
__________________
jtsailjt is offline  
Old 31-01-2014, 08:47   #297
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Paradise
Boat: Various
Posts: 2,360
Re: ICW "Pirates". Have you Seen?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jtsailjt View Post
I think you're probably right. They'll continue prevailing on good people's natural kindness and willingness to help others but word is spreading about them and their real punishment may come when they arrive in a new harbor of what they assume are potential scammees and it turns out that many cruisers and marine related businesses ashore know about them and will turn a cold shoulder to them instead of doing them "just one small favor." I'm friends with most of the owners of the marine related businesses in my harbor and I would certainly make them aware of these two if they showed up someday.
The information on them was fully available in Oriental and people still gave to them. They were front page newspaper, talk of the town. It was known they'd lied about how they got there, they'd begged, borrowed and stolen, they'd been arrested locally for shoplifting. There were basically two ways to be rid of them. One was to stop giving to them. That didn't happen. The other was to let them scam you out of enough money that then it was time for them to move on to the next victim and that they had the means to cruise more. This was the path taken. Frankly, I bet the townspeople would have taken up a collection if they'd known a couple thousand dollars would have gotten them to leave.
__________________
BandB is offline  
Old 31-01-2014, 09:21   #298
Registered User

Join Date: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,440
Re: ICW "Pirates". Have you Seen?

This thread is so, how do you say....

__________________
letsgetsailing3 is offline  
Old 31-01-2014, 09:26   #299
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 108
Re: ICW "Pirates". Have you Seen?

Quote:
Originally Posted by cardude View Post
I say a little south Texas justice may be in order--find the dude and beat the **** out of him.

I mean seriously, you gonna let some French dude come over here and screw you like that? Could we get away with that crap in his homeland? I doubt it.
wow, I think i will stay clear of Texass !
__________________
Jimmy Jazz is offline  
Old 31-01-2014, 17:18   #300
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 108
Re: ICW "Pirates". Have you Seen?

lol i was just going to ask
__________________

__________________
Jimmy Jazz is offline  
Closed Thread

Tags
French, icw, Oriental, pirates, Primadonna

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
For Sale: ICW Chart Books, Charts, Guide Books DolphinBuddy Classifieds Archive 0 27-11-2011 20:24
At Least One More Sailor Dead at Hands of Pirates svBeBe Indian Ocean & Red Sea 36 12-09-2011 13:13
Atlantic ICW Chart Books Question tomj Navigation 0 08-09-2011 18:50



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 22:13.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.