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Old 08-01-2014, 08:18   #271
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Oops. Sorry jtsailjt and Captain Bill. And to everyone else for that matter. I goofed in the response I sent in to this thread, but it’s merely a typo, an innocent mistake. Strange, because, after I received the angry response from you jtsailjt, I said to my wife, “why the hell are they upset with an opinion? That is why I was so flippant with my response to you. I see why you were upset now. You thought I was deliberately saying nasty things about your friends. The opinion I was trying to get across, frankly, was that I don’t think it’s right or fair to speak ill of someone on a public forum. I don’t even know your friend, the person that was scammed, so I have no cause to make such derogatory statements about him. In fact, I don’t know any of the people in question, any more than I know you. And that is the material point here. I wasn’t even making a point specifically about your friend, or Primadonna. What I was trying to express was related to a much bigger problem, in my mind, anyway. Then, when Captain Bill posted something similar to what jtsailjt was telling me, I went back to my original response and found that you were both referring to a typing error. It should read "I also know one or two other people….” Apologies for that, to you both and to your friend. However, even as it stands now, in my original post, the typos are obvious because those couple of sentences don’t even make sense the way they’re worded. And the tone, I think, throughout my response, makes it pretty clear that I’m against people bashing on public forums.

Horror Hotel, thanks for your response. No offence meant and I didn’t imply any deliberate lack of due diligence on your part. But, again, in my opinion, the question that needed to be asked is what happens when, once we become accustomed to these ‘manhunts,’ on cruisersforum, we end up persecuting innocent people? Or publicly persecuting people that simply don’t deserve it? That was the point I was trying to make.
I feel a little silly about the typo, but, hey, there was never any offence intended.

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Sir. How DARE you resort to common sense!
Every once in a while commonality and my intuition align... like winging downwind.... It's "really quite fun"

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If this thread has crept all the way around to blaming the victim, then certainly we can creeeep just a little more.....just a quick aside.

I just saw this in HappyMdRSailor's post and it brought a smile because it totally got me, I read the first line without glancing at the second and was expecting something SO much more serious...though I can't argue with its truth just as Happy typed it!

" In the harsh marine environment, something is always in need of repair...

Mai Tai's fix everything... "

It's hard not to smile with a Mai Tai in your hand.... I'll bet that most of us when offered... might say "what else you got?" if offered a shot, beer, wine, tequila.... But nobody says "no thanks" when handed a Mai Tai....

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Some of the rancor around the crew of Primadonna was that even though they had been panhandling/shoplifting, there was alot of sympathy for their situation of being far from home and living the cruising life on limited means. Opinions were that they HAD to do these nefarious acts because of their desperate situation.

So many in the town chipped in cash, time, fuel, parts, and expertise to help them get back on the cruising path. So sometime in the fall Pat Stockwell countersigned a check for Pascal (of Primadonna) and the check turned out to be bogus. So Pat went asking for his money back that the bank had taken. Well only $500 of $3000 was returned and later the two crew of Primadonna were seen having a beer in a local bar.

All small town drama to be sure, but to a town that really attempted to help these wayward cruisers, they essentially got crapped on for their good Samaritan offerings...
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Unfortunately SC there will always be pirates among us. When I come into a port and get viewed suspiciously for the first time I always remember that. Mr. Stockwell has a good heart and will be rewarded more for his karma than that rascal Pascal stole.

Without going into details, I get ripped off occasionally. Sure I would like my money back, but loosing the part of my personality that believes in good first is more important than the money, and putting forth a smile more important than petty theft. People like Mr. Stockwell develop good friends, and a man who has friends is truly rich (with regards to Frank Capra)
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You are so right newt. I just get an edge when someone tries to get over on me. The old trust but cut the cards stays with me. I try to see the best in everyone, and it has cost me from time to time, but I can't let myself degenerate into a cynic. It is hard enough being an optimistic degenerate.
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Unfortunately SC there will always be pirates among us. When I come into a port and get viewed suspiciously for the first time I always remember that. Mr. Stockwell has a good heart and will be rewarded more for his karma than that rascal Pascal stole.

Without going into details, I get ripped off occasionally. Sure I would like my money back, but loosing the part of my personality that believes in good first is more important than the money, and putting forth a smile more important than petty theft. People like Mr. Stockwell develop good friends, and a man who has friends is truly rich (with regards to Frank Capra)
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I have been following this thread and the one before about civil rights attorney in Oriental. I am going to bet that these scammers are not in jail or even in trouble in the Bahamas. They are still using the broken engine story and probably getting help from the locals. They will use that until the people in this area tire of them and they will move on after that. They probably did this down the east coast and all of France. They are like the Irish Travelers and Gypsies we have in the states. This is how they operate and I bet they are better at it than most. They will get help getting their boat off the beach and move to the next spot. Hand out the whole way.
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I wonder when the last time there passport was stamped? Does Beaufort or Moorehead City have customs.
I doubt Mr. Stockwell will ever get any monetary compensation but here is a phone number for Mayaguana administration office to voice a complaint
242 339 3100 fax242 339 3538
Maybe this message will reach Pat
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Oops. Sorry jtsailjt and Captain Bill. And to everyone else for that matter. I goofed in the response I sent in to this thread, but it’s merely a typo, an innocent mistake. Strange, because, after I received the angry response from you jtsailjt, I said to my wife, “why the hell are they upset with an opinion? That is why I was so flippant with my response to you. I see why you were upset now. You thought I was deliberately saying nasty things about your friends. The opinion I was trying to get across, frankly, was that I don’t think it’s right or fair to speak ill of someone on a public forum. I don’t even know your friend, the person that was scammed, so I have no cause to make such derogatory statements about him. In fact, I don’t know any of the people in question, any more than I know you. And that is the material point here. I wasn’t even making a point specifically about your friend, or Primadonna. What I was trying to express was related to a much bigger problem, in my mind, anyway. Then, when Captain Bill posted something similar to what jtsailjt was telling me, I went back to my original response and found that you were both referring to a typing error. It should read "I also know one or two other people….” Apologies for that, to you both and to your friend. However, even as it stands now, in my original post, the typos are obvious because those couple of sentences don’t even make sense the way they’re worded. And the tone, I think, throughout my response, makes it pretty clear that I’m against people bashing on public forums.

Horror Hotel, thanks for your response. No offence meant and I didn’t imply any deliberate lack of due diligence on your part. But, again, in my opinion, the question that needed to be asked is what happens when, once we become accustomed to these ‘manhunts,’ on cruisersforum, we end up persecuting innocent people? Or publicly persecuting people that simply don’t deserve it? That was the point I was trying to make.
I feel a little silly about the typo, but, hey, there was never any offence intended.

Warmest regards to all.
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You started by throwing up defenses to questions that had long been answered if you had taken the time to become informed.

And now...

It sounds like weasel speak to me.

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I have been following this thread and the one before about civil rights attorney in Oriental. I am going to bet that these scammers are not in jail or even in trouble in the Bahamas. They are still using the broken engine story and probably getting help from the locals. They will use that until the people in this area tire of them and they will move on after that. They probably did this down the east coast and all of France. They are like the Irish Travelers and Gypsies we have in the states. This is how they operate and I bet they are better at it than most. They will get help getting their boat off the beach and move to the next spot. Hand out the whole way.

(Posted this at our sister site last night)

I talked to someone close to the case last tonight. Word is that he is considered a "fugitive from justice" by the Bahamian Government and he'll probably stay in jail there for quite some time. Will find out more this weekend and get back to y'all.

.FYI... This isn't official by any means, but I consider it pretty reliable. Take it only as second-hand information. I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
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And now...

It sounds like weasel speak to me.

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weasel speak with warm regards that's a great thought expession
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Can you find out about the dog too.
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They won't have to teach him how to beg!
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No doubt a Bahamian will salvage it and claim quick local title.

I have some experience with Bahamian salvage and it's finders keepers if you're Bahamian. The US insurance companies don't consider it valid but that won't be an issue in this case.
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There's a female involved here too. Wonder if she's imprisoned as well?
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Yes.. Morehead City does have a Customs Office... just alongside the start of the bridge Morehead side... cleared outa there myself a few years back... a nice lady officer (fellow cruiser) dealt with me..
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