Cruisers Forum
 

Go Back   Cruisers & Sailing Forums > The Fleet > General Sailing Forum
Cruiser Wiki Click Here to Login
Register Vendors FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Log in

Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on Cruisers Forums. Advertise Here
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 16-10-2010, 15:17   #1
Registered User

Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Bergen, Norway
Boat: Gib'Sea 472
Posts: 47
How to Supply Clean Freshwater ? What Do You Use ?

I'm lucky to live in a country which has a lot of clean fresh water, and want good water in my tanks. This is many places a luxury. I have read a lot about watermakers and rain collection. But I still wonder. So I want to ask what cruisers out there use and why?
amadeus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-10-2010, 15:47   #2
Registered User
 
senormechanico's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2003
Boat: Dragonfly 1000 trimaran
Posts: 7,162
In two boats, I've had three watermakers, a PowerSurvivor 35, a PowerSurvivor 80 and a Spectra 180. The Spectra is by far the best one I've owned.
__________________
The question is not, "Who will let me?"
The question is,"Who is going to stop me?"


Ayn Rand
senormechanico is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-10-2010, 16:28   #3
CF Adviser
Moderator Emeritus
 
Hud3's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Virginia
Boat: Island Packet 380, now sold
Posts: 8,942
Images: 54
We took on water in various ports and collected rainwater when possible. Anything we ingested without boiling was passed through a Seagull IV biofilter to remove any pesky cysts, germs, etc. Never had a problem with water.
__________________
Hud
Hud3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-10-2010, 17:00   #4
Registered User
 
matauwhi's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Bay of Islands, New Zealand
Boat: Mason 53
Posts: 652
G'day, mate. Lots of fresh water available down here in New Zealand as well. We also have a watermaker and collect water off the deck as well. UV light and filters to take out any "nasty" bits. We have found having ample fresh water has kept the lifestyle sustainable. Cheers.
matauwhi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-10-2010, 17:23   #5
Registered User
 
Unicorn Dreams's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Clear Lake Marine Services - Seabrook, Texas
Boat: Gulfstar, Mark II Ketch, 43'
Posts: 2,359
Watermaker here also, I don't plan on humping water to the boat.
1/2 tank of water weighs over 500 lbs., lors of trips in the dinghy.
__________________
Formerly Santana
The winds blow true,The skies stay blue,
Everyday is a good day for SAILING!!!!
Unicorn Dreams is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-10-2010, 18:40   #6
Eternal Member
 
capt_douglas's Avatar

Join Date: May 2003
Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Boat: Vancouver 36 cutter????
Posts: 620
Send a message via Skype™ to capt_douglas
There seem to be two common choices: keep the gunk out of the tank; or keep the gunk out of the faucet.

If you've got multiple faucets that need drinking quality water then keeping the tank clean might be the way to go. If you've got a dedicated filtered faucet then the filter may be the way to go. Most folks seem to use Home Depot water filters and systems as the filters are cheaper and seem to have a higher cleaning capacity (particulate and carbon).

Having replaced my water tank for a non-repairable leak, I was amazed at the gunk inside. If I jerry jug water, I use a small pump to transfer the contents through an external filter assembly (cheap and easy to do). If I'm on the dock, then I definitely run the water through the filter as I've had less than pleasant smelling water come out of the hose.

If I'm looking to collect rainwater, I'll wait for the rain to wash the skies clean (depending on the intensity, 5-10 minutes) and get the salt off the deck or whatever you use to collect rain water. Many cruisers will dump the contents into jugs, bucket, or containers then transfer the contents to the fresh water tank. Other cruisers have rigged their deck fittings to allow water to either go overboard or into the fresh water tank.

In almost every case, though, cruisers add a cup of bleach to the fresh water tank when they fill.
__________________
Capt. Douglas Abbott
USCG/MCA IV/M.I./C.I. 500-ton Oceans
capt_douglas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-10-2010, 18:44   #7
Registered User
 
rebel heart's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 6,185
Images: 3
We have various methods. When lucky enough to get up to a garden hose (pressure), we push it through some filters that do a good job. Rain water goes into jugs via a funnel so that it can be poured and filtered into the tanks at a later time.

Regardless of all that we have a Britta filter that's what we use for drinking water. Won't stop germs, but removes the "boat" taste from the water.
rebel heart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-10-2010, 19:20   #8
Registered User
 
senormechanico's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2003
Boat: Dragonfly 1000 trimaran
Posts: 7,162
I should add that while we cruised Mexico in the mid '90's, we used water from several sources in Baja as well as water from marinas. We only went into marinas about a day or two a month to reprovision, and when we did, we used a ceramic filter on the hose to remove dirt.
__________________
The question is not, "Who will let me?"
The question is,"Who is going to stop me?"


Ayn Rand
senormechanico is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 16-10-2010, 19:42   #9
Registered User

Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 3,536
If you have the electric power to run one and the budget to buy one, it's hard to beat a good watermaker like the Spectra. Stuff that can make you sick can't pass through that membrane.

Because it's easy to make water, you don't let water sit long in the tanks. I dump any water that's more than a week old (e.g. rinse the deck hardware). Having lots of water really has changed cruising for us - no salt sticky hair, no grumbles about rinsing dishes with fresh water. The little salt water foot pump in the galley broke. I haven't fixed it.

I used to have a catchment system but I worried a lot about bird poop on the deck. Lot of bad stuff in bird poop. By the time I was sure the decks were clean, the rain was usually over.

Twice a year I flush the tanks and piping with a shock treatment of chlorine to make sure nothing gets started.

My second goal was to ban bottled water on the boat. A big money savings and good for the planet. Also no lugging bottles on and off the boat. The drinking water goes from the tank through a fancy (but inexpensive) filter like this:

+CR1 0.5 mic Carbon Block - 9.75" x 2.5" - FreshWaterSystems.com

Tubes then lead to fresh water taps at each sink and even to a quart metal flask in the fridge. Another tube that then leads to a tap outside the fridge for "chilled filtered drinking water".

Carl
CarlF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2010, 02:45   #10
Long Range Cruiser
 
MarkJ's Avatar

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Australian living on "Sea Life" currently in England.
Boat: Beneteau 393 "Sea Life"
Posts: 12,822
Images: 25
I'm no humper!!

One of the 'rules' of this boat is not to hump water!
I don't give a stuff if I have to pay for a marina to load water, I'll do it (only had to do that once). Fuel dock are "No water - No fuel!" They suddenly find a tap

We take 440 liters and half a teaspoon in each tank of Starbright Water Conditioner. Have a cheap string filter to catch chunky bits in the gally forcet.

The biggest changes to our lives were 2 simple things:
1) I was able to plumb salt water into the galley sinks.
2) Using spray bottles. 500mil / 1 pint spray bottle to rinse dishes after salt water washing; spay wash hands; spray showers etc etc. ALL fresh water is used from spray bottles except to cook

I would dearly love a watermaker. Its would be a huge difference in the cruising life. That and a freezer...
__________________
Notes on a Circumnavigation.
OurLifeAtSea.com

Somalia Pirates and our Convoy
MarkJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2010, 03:56   #11
Registered User
 
Doodles's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Virginia, USA & Krabi, Thailand
Boat: Wauquiez Pretorien 35
Posts: 2,819
Images: 1
I haven't had to use this on the boat yet but I have at home in Thailand, and I don't see why it wouldn't work well on a boat. All you need is a couple plastic bottles and 6 hours of sunlight.

The SODIS method ....SODIS: Welcome to SODIS
__________________
Mundis Ex Igne Factus Est
Doodles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2010, 06:41   #12
Registered User
 
lorenzo b's Avatar

Join Date: May 2009
Location: Panama
Boat: Steel trawler 63' Eileen Farrell
Posts: 961
We collect rainwater. The book Sailing The Farm has some really simple designs for making condensation watermakers.
lorenzo b is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2010, 09:38   #13
Registered User
 
svcambria's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Mexico (currently)
Boat: Panda 40 - S/V Cambria
Posts: 573
Fresh water is about 8.3 pounds per gallon (1 kg per liter fer you metric guys). If you use five gallons a day, thats over 40 pounds - per day - that you have to replace.
Large chunks of Central America don't have fuel docks - with or without water. Many villages don't have water to spare. Sometimes they ask YOU for water. If you do find a source, that's a jerry can a day to hump back from wherever you found it. Every day. In the desert parts, there is no rain (until you get a hurricane or TS, then there is too much and you are preoccupied anyway). So even with the complications and expense, a water maker is usually thought of as darn well worth the trouble, but it is a personal choice, not something absolutely unequivocally necessary.
I have a Spectra (circa 1998, the 49th unit they made). Still going, still going strong. I admit I would be in better shape if I had to drag 40 pounds around land and across harbors every day, but that ain't gonna happen...

Michael
svcambria is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2010, 10:26   #14
Registered User

Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Currently in South Haven Mi hopping to soon be in a warmer climite.
Boat: 17ft runabout my boat 2
Posts: 40
Send a message via Yahoo to gunslinger9729
I used to have a copy of Sailing The Farm and that is a wonderful book for long term crusers. I loved how independent that book could make you. That said though I think that as the price of watermakers has fallen as well as the size that now I would go with one and this year I am looking into having one put in since it is that time of the year here in the Great Lakes.
gunslinger9729 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 17-10-2010, 12:08   #15
C.L.O.D
 
SaucySailoress's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 8,232
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkJ View Post
I'm no humper!!

.... The biggest changes to our lives were 2 simple things:
1) I was able to plumb salt water into the galley sinks.
2) Using spray bottles. 500mil / 1 pint spray bottle to rinse dishes after salt water washing; spay wash hands; spray showers etc etc. ALL fresh water is used from spray bottles except to cook
.
Stop it with cr@p like this - NO-ONE is to EVER to talk about saltwater in the galley sinks again. Every time hubby sees it, he uses it as ammo in our argument, and we are NOT having saltwater in our sinks!
SaucySailoress is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Freshwater vs Ocean Sailing Courses sgb71 Training, Licensing & Certification 12 31-07-2009 17:41
Freshwater pumps w/o Accumulator tanks jlubimir Plumbing Systems and Fixtures 28 18-03-2009 12:26
Bluewater books for a freshwater sailor? Thegirlis The Library 9 24-02-2009 23:38
Engine anodes after freshwater conversion Dr. C. Engines and Propulsion Systems 2 03-11-2008 18:55
Freshwater pump: how much oomph? Geoff S. Plumbing Systems and Fixtures 13 02-11-2006 19:00

Advertise Here


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 14:27.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.