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Old 21-09-2012, 03:52   #31
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Re: How Should A Country Attract Yachtsmen?

If it's Ukraine, then after ensuring point #1, the second most important imho, is that secure moorings/marinas should provided.

People in the north part of Black Sea don't, in general, have that much respect for private property if talking about a boat. Cases abound of people climbing onto other people's boats whilst at anchor or in a marina just to hang out and drink or "to see what's on the boat". Also mooring lines or anchor rodes are cut by swimmers "just because, for fun". To me, that's a huge deterrent to visiting a country.

If you think that above is just an isolated case or two, check Russian and Ukranian forums. It's not. It's a common practice.

Point #2 in OP is not that big of an issue, even US does it and nobody complains [much].
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Re: How Should A Country Attract Yachtsmen?

I think Cap. Bill said about everything.

Funny though a lot of posts here say that 1 entry should be all that necessary and countries should stop requiring yotties to notify the authorities very time they sail form one harbour to another (inside the same country).

Unless I'm mistaken - doesn't the US require yotties from other countries to check in with the coast guard every time you sail to another harbor? And unless I'm mistaken they get quite annoyed if you go to different harbour than the one you said you were going to
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Old 21-09-2012, 04:19   #33
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Re: How Should A Country Attract Yachtsmen?

Fantastic comments; thanks a lot. Keep 'em coming!
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But these guys aren't doing it to boost the local economy - they want to improve the image of the country and give access to the sport to their own citizens.
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...I would happily charter near the Crimea. I also believe if the lower Danube had some reasonable marina or docking facilities and the piracy issues were eliminated it would become a wonderful gateway to the Black Sea. I doubt that I will live to see such a thing.
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And maybe for the locals could start with Dinghy clubs (if not already) - cheap enough to get themselves on the international racing calender to attract folks in (just add enough facilities and cash!). Doesn't have to even be at the top levels - it's about getting numbers of bodies in.
Dockhead: Given their objectives, I think BRob2 and DOJ make excellent suggestions.

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If corruption is an issue then it has to be stopped and the country may have to give incentives for cruisers to begin going there. Having local amenities and offering repair services and or parts at reasonable prices would be a big boost as well. The goal should be to offer what the rest of the Med has overpriced and have excellent customer service.
The med isn't overpriced, if it was it would be empty. I see very few 15000 euros a year berths for 40' yachts going abeggin in med France for example.

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I'll have to agree with Gordmay. While amenity filled cheap marinas may be a dream, probably going to stay that way.

1. I go to countries that are safe, (no unrest, corruption).
2. Laws are clearly defined and evenly enforced.
3. Workable justice system.
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I haven't found anywhere like that
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Hey are you giving your talk on the US.????

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Unless I'm mistaken - doesn't the US require yotties from other countries to check in with the coast guard every time you sail to another harbor? And unless I'm mistaken they get quite annoyed if you go to different harbour than the one you said you were going to

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There are sufficient places for future accommodations available: the ex navy-docks/harbours, the commercial ports, although polluted till the very rim, but there are beautiful locations like Yalta waiting for some development.

Pollution might be another big obstacle. The Black Sea is divided in a lower (salt) and upper level (sweet) that does not mix altogether.
The upper pelagic level is quite healthy and full of fish whilst the bottom level is almost dead and becomes deader by the year.

The Sea of Asov is infested with red algae but in itself another subject for further development.

Bear in mind that in wintertime the Black Sea area is monstrous and no pleasure to be at.
It will be subject to political willingness in the first place and facilities should be given to any commercial developers.
The utter requirements will follow automatically as long as political stability can be guaranteed. The latter being very doubtful. See Timoshenko.
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Unfortunatly there were just too many tales of corruption. Boats impounded for no reason with thousands in "fines" before they could leave.
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Certainly a fundamental issue. If the officials and locals look upon visiting yachts as an opportunistic event rather than a long-term sustainable income stream then any capital investments will be a waste of money.

Here in Guatemala we have that contrast between the East and West coasts. The East coast (carib side) is very accommodating to cruisers and a lot of businesses here, and employment for locals, are based upon the revenue that generates. The local community is very conscious of that. Dramatically different on the West coast where cruisers are treated more opportunistically and as a result few visit there.

So, if this apparent underlying mentality cannot be changed then capital investment is a waste of time and money. This is certainly an important point to make at a ministerial level.
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A large well priced/stocked supermarket with a dinghy dock right next to it, would be amazing! Add a pub/ restaurant / casino/brothel and you've got the lot!
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A large well priced/stocked supermarket with a dinghy dock right next to it, would be amazing! Add a pub/ restaurant / casino/brothel and you've got the lot!
Hmmm, I would much rather have a market than a supermarket.
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Unless I'm mistaken - doesn't the US require yotties from other countries to check in with the coast guard every time you sail to another harbor? And unless I'm mistaken they get quite annoyed if you go to different harbour than the one you said you were going to
My guess is that the market will principally be Europeans - and they (we!) are used not only to not doing that nationally (when in other EU countries) but also not requiring anything when moving between them . Obviously the world is not in the EU and it is expected that other countries do things differently, but nonetheless folks do get very used to doing things simply, anything is a hurdle - not insurmountable, but every hurdle cuts down numbers.

I take the point on places being corrupt - but I am firm beleiver in working with what you have got. If folks waited until "civilisation" arrived before going forward then it never would arrive. and besides, the reason why the west is civilised when it comes to corruption is that ours is sophisticated enough to be called legal. But the same effect.

On the working with angle I suggest a fact finding trip (or 7 ) to see both best practices and the worst (including where folks have killed the golden goose - or are simply busy strangling her ). The Med obviously, plus USA and the Carribean spring to mind. Thailand would also be useful to add to the agenda - even if not simply about the boat stuff .
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A number of Dutch & German boats will next year sail the Danube down to the Back Sea and return via Bosporus & Med.
There is already some thinking done down that way and what DOJ sais cuts certainly som wood. The Med is almost taken by the floating whiskey-palaces leaving little affordable space for the lesser kind of "Yotties".
Wait and see what's coming out.
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