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Old 29-01-2016, 08:09   #136
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Re: How Not to Plan an Ocean Passage

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A friend sent this link - it strikes me that the story has some interesting lessons on seamanship.

After many rescue calls, American sailors in Cornwall called 'incompetent' - Home | As It Happens | CBC Radio
If you make a mistake in the public eye then you can call it experience. Make the same mistake 2 or more times then you'll often get labelled as an idiot.

I don't think these guys are too precious. They seem to be able to shrug off the knockers.

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Old 29-01-2016, 08:18   #137
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, those two Americans are just going to have to wait it out.
Hope so. Even thinking of casting off any time soon is completely nuts.
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Old 29-01-2016, 10:55   #138
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Re: How Not to Plan an Ocean Passage

The solution is simple: seize and impound their radio. The sea will soon enough teach them all they want to know about preparation and self reliance. I suspect if they make it to their next port they will be much less cheeky.

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Old 29-01-2016, 11:03   #139
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Seven rescues in a year is a bit steep so they must be doing something wrong.
You think?

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Old 29-01-2016, 12:45   #140
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Re: How Not to Plan an Ocean Passage

Simple lesson from one of the rescues: secure your lines in a rope bag or some such when underway, so they can't get swept overboard. On our boat, the least well secured are our running back stays tails, which are not bagged. I have been known to make up the line and make it fast, though, in big beam seas with lots of water around. Just saying, many people forget to do a line check before starting the engine, and many leave the tails of working lines where they can get washed overboard.

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Any news on these elderly dudes yet?

Did they head out to sea again?
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Was wondering that too. Seems they've had some pretty bad weather around the UK lately, so I thought they might have set off.
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I expect if the guys plan to continue on they are working on the boat and waiting on a weather window.

The owner stated that he just wants to sail his boat home. I'd like to see them make it.

What are the chances that some of you young, industrious sailors nearby would pitch in a bit?
There are worse ways to spend spare time.
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This came up on another forum..

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The Hayle Harbour master says the boat is still there and pretty sound. One of the crew has gone, the other is "being looked after locally". The HM thinks that the Wooden Ships Association (?) has been in touch with the skipper and they are planning to put a couple of crew on board for the leg round to the South Coast. Which the HM says will not be for some time given the present series of SW gales. They also said the boat needs tidying up!!
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This is a few miles south from them this morning!
FWIW my point of view with regards to " some young " guys giving them a hand to fix their yacht !
I think they have had enough ' charity '
from the limited facts that the press give us, I would say they have the wrong attitude to get help from most Cornish men I know.
About time they grew up and took the responsibility of sorting their own problems out.
The saying of ' help those that help themselves' applies to these two liabilities


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This is a few miles south from them this morning!
FWIW my point of view with regards to " some young " guys giving them a hand to fix their yacht !
I think they have had enough ' charity '
from the limited facts that the press give us, I would say they have the wrong attitude to get help from most Cornish men I know.
About time they grew up and took the responsibility of sorting their own problems out.
The saying of ' help those that help themselves' applies to these two liabilities


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70+ and off the couch. My kinda guys. And my kinda guys don't mind pitching in to help their elders. Helping others too for that matter.

Those fellas haven't cost u a dime.
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This is a few miles south from them this morning!
FWIW my point of view with regards to " some young " guys giving them a hand to fix their yacht !
I think they have had enough ' charity '
from the limited facts that the press give us, I would say they have the wrong attitude to get help from most Cornish men I know.
About time they grew up and took the responsibility of sorting their own problems out.
The saying of ' help those that help themselves' applies to these two liabilities


US yachtsmen rescued nine times since July say they are 'totally capable guys'

They insist they are perfectly adept and describe their plans to cross the Atlantic in their yacht, Nora, as “just a straight sail”.But two 71-year-old American adventurers currently moored in Cornwall have been dubbed “captain calamities” after being rescued nine times before they have even left Europe. It appears the pair had left a candle burning as they popped ashore to pick up groceries and it fell, setting clothes and cabinets on fire.The boat fell over at low tide as it is a dry harbour. This caused a candle to fall over and started a fire on board. Firefighters put out the blaze.



If rescued 9 times in US waters they would be broke by now.
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Could I suggest then, that you put your hand in your pocket and pay for them to ship their ' vessel' back to their country ( yours) where dimes are a legal currency and see if their own will be so charitable ?
I think the saying is 'charity begins at home ' !


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Could I suggest then, that you put your hand in your pocket and pay for them to ship their ' vessel' back to their country ( yours) where dimes are a legal currency and see if their own will be so charitable ?
I think the saying is 'charity begins at home ' !


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I think charity begins in the heart. I understand that your heart doesn't go out to this sailor. Those that have boarded an old boat and sailed it to a far off destination might see it differently. Keeping the boat sailing while working out the bugs is tough on anyone.

I give plenty of time assisting young and old in the sailing world and were I there I would likely walk down and swap lies with the skipper.

What I don't do is ridicule someone struggling at a difficult task. I rib them later, over beers, after I have towed them to port.
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These guys are getting slaughtered by the media. No doubt a good distraction from the very real issues there at home and to the East. Mariners are Mariners, there is a long history of us helping each other if in distress regardless of the situation.

Other than the inexperienced crew leaving a burning candle on board which is inexcusable the other issues could very well have plausible reasons beyond the captains seamanship.

Transiting unfamiliar waters in an unfamiliar boat you are bound to have problems. I have faith that they will make it to their trade wind passage eventually.

If you are ever in need in US waters, regardless of your attitude, the United States Coast Guard will help and won't bitch about how much it costs, such BS!
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