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Old 13-05-2013, 14:23   #16
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I offer constructive advice... you respond rudely. Good luck.
I don't think that the "constructive advice" is rude; certainly the response is not rude; and most importantly there is never a rude offer to buy a product for sale for any fraction of the asking price. There may be a myth promoted about "low ball" or "rude" offers from brokers, but the fact is that the seller is free to respond or ignore to any offer at their whim.
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WOW, I was reading this thread and when I saw this comment and the response I had to comment. You are spot on. I have been sorting through various boats myself. I swear, either I am very good at picking winners (having 0 boating experience) or what you say is completely true because I started noticing that almost every boat that I posted for feedback, including every boat in the US, sold within a month after I posted and had long discussions with others about them.
I have now learned to keep my mouth shut on boats that I am very seriously considering. I now ask more general questions and avoid posting the precise boat.
In fact, one of the owners of one the boats, the "Sopressa", which was thoroughly discussed on one of my threads actually posted that he had just boat it and thanked the posters for all the great info they gave on my thread. Could be some weird coincidence, but I have learned my lesson on that. I was pretty bumbed seeing a couple of my short listers sell.
This was very good advice to the OP I wish that I had been warned.
There are quite a few 'Lurkers'... and even some members who are on the look out for boats so don't be surprised if Google/Sailboats and Apollo Duck search engines are going overtime...
As they say.. "Don't rain on my Parade.. Mate.. ya shoulda got yer finga out.."
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WOW, I was reading this thread and when I saw this comment and the response I had to comment. You are spot on. I have been sorting through various boats myself. I swear, either I am very good at picking winners (having 0 boating experience) or what you say is completely true because I started noticing that almost every boat that I posted for feedback, including every boat in the US, sold within a month after I posted and had long discussions with others about them.
I have now learned to keep my mouth shut on boats that I am very seriously considering. I now ask more general questions and avoid posting the precise boat.
In fact, one of the owners of one the boats, the "Sopressa", which was thoroughly discussed on one of my threads actually posted that he had just boat it and thanked the posters for all the great info they gave on my thread. Could be some weird coincidence, but I have learned my lesson on that. I was pretty bumbed seeing a couple of my short listers sell.
This was very good advice to the OP I wish that I had been warned.
Of course the other explanation is that good boats that are well-priced tend to sell quickly.

If you know what you want, you'll be able to move quickly. Sometimes you have to miss a few while you learn through your research, because you just aren't ready to purchase the boat.
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If you have not already found what these boats are actually selling for, it's time to do your own due diligence and get that info. Keep in mind that sometimes even the alleged actual selling prices are inflated when brokers insert that info.
With all due respect HOW on earth do i find that information. What broker is going to disclose that sort of information without client consent ,and even then why should he.
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Ascertain the selling, or at least listing price of others. In many cases you can offer 40-50% less. BUT, If this boat is a prime example, already realistically priced near usual selling price, you MAY piss off the owner with a really lowball offer. It's a fine line for sure. In that case I would try to finalize the boat for 10% less than what you believe the final selling price of a similar boat was or should be.
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Does not sound rude to me - just mild factual response.
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Re: How much to offer.

If the boat really calls to you - if you really want the boat - I suggest you offer what you can afford. That way, if you do in fact buy the boat, you can afford it. If the seller does not accept your offer, well, you couldn't afford it anyway.

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I spoke to a broker in Australia yesterday .This is what he said . Do not bring back a Benateau, Sun Odyssey, Bavaria you will be lucky to get your money back. If you bring back a Hunter you will do your ass. His advice was bring back a cat in good condition or a Pedigree....which means an Island packet , H.R ,Amiel etc.
But i realey like this Boat so i will offer $140,000 and see what happens the boat is listed at $235000.
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I spoke to a broker in Australia yesterday .This is what he said . Do not bring back a Benateau, Sun Odyssey, Bavaria you will be lucky to get your money back. If you bring back a Hunter you will do your ass. His advice was bring back a cat in good condition or a Pedigree....which means an Island packet , H.R ,Amiel etc.
But i realey like this Boat so i will offer $140,000 and see what happens the boat is listed at $235000.
I think that broker gave you good advice. We saw a boat today that we didnt know was for sale, it just happened to catch our eye on our way out of the marina. We noticed a broker had left a sticky on the window saying he had someone interested and to call him. I said to my husband "now that's the kind of boat we want to buy, one with character that has people leaving notes in case you're interested in selling." It was only after a few more minutes of ogling we even noticed the for sale sign. Tried to look it up at home, it isn't on the dealers website but there sure were a lot of Hunters on there!
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