Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 08-10-2016, 19:51   #136
Registered User
 
Steady Hand's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Crewing 2016-2017 Available Globally
Boat: OPB = Still Searching for Her
Posts: 3,752
Re: How Do You Anchor In Deep Ocean?

Quote:
Originally Posted by boatpoker View Post
Wonder how many of those little blips are actually ships and how many are sleeping solo sailors with AIS

Whats the time cycle ? i.e. if it's once an hour, each ship is shown 24 times If it's once every 2 minutes ...... well you figure it out.
The ISS orbits 15 times in 24 hours.
__________________

__________________
Ahoy All Sailors! Do you need experienced crew for a long voyage either Atlantic, Pacific, Caribbean, PNW, ICW, coastal or across an ocean in 2016-2017? I am available on short notice. See my CF Profile "About Me" page for details. Happy to lend a hand!
Steady Hand is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2016, 22:47   #137
Senior Cruiser
 
senormechanico's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Aug 2003
Boat: Dragonfly 1000 trimaran
Posts: 5,214
Re: How Do You Anchor In Deep Ocean?

I'd hate to have a sea anchor out when I spot a ship getting ready to run me down....
just sayin'...
__________________

__________________
"I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you have earned,
but not greed to want to take somebody else's money"

-Thomas Sowell
senormechanico is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2016, 22:56   #138
Registered User
 
buzzstar's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 390
Re: How Do You Anchor In Deep Ocean?

Quote:
Originally Posted by senormechanico View Post
I'd hate to have a sea anchor out when I spot a ship getting ready to run me down....
just sayin'...
No fooling! One reason being hove to is my preference, if possible. Also a good reason to have very sharp knife of adequate size, a physical marker, perhaps a MOB pole, and a GPS position.
__________________
Brian, sometimes called "Old California"
Free advice may be worth even less than what you pay for it, or it may contain real gold.
buzzstar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2016, 23:48   #139
Registered User
 
adoxograph's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsnɐ 'ʇsɐoɔ ǝuıɥsuns
Boat: Landlocked right now, but a Lagoon 52S would do the trick
Posts: 294
Images: 1
Re: How Do You Anchor In Deep Ocean?

Quote:
Originally Posted by weavis View Post
I always forget to add to the list of volatile threads: Anchors, guns and politics.... the issue of solo sailing...

Add Global Warming/Climate Change to the list ...
__________________
“As for me, I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts.”
― Herman Melville, Moby-Dick
adoxograph is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2016, 23:51   #140
Registered User
 
adoxograph's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsnɐ 'ʇsɐoɔ ǝuıɥsuns
Boat: Landlocked right now, but a Lagoon 52S would do the trick
Posts: 294
Images: 1
Re: How Do You Anchor In Deep Ocean?

Quote:
Originally Posted by senormechanico View Post
I'd hate to have a sea anchor out when I spot a ship getting ready to run me down....
just sayin'...
That sounds like one of those times where the sharp bowie knife comes handy ...
__________________
“As for me, I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas, and land on barbarous coasts.”
― Herman Melville, Moby-Dick
adoxograph is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2016, 00:01   #141
Registered User
 
TeddyDiver's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Arctic Ocean
Boat: Under construction 35' ketch
Posts: 1,571
Images: 2
Re: How Do You Anchor In Deep Ocean?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jackdale View Post
Nope.

No work is being done. This applies to dredgers, cable layers, etc..
Work is not required..
"(b) A vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre, except a vessel engaged in mine-clearance operations, shall exhibit:
three all-round lights in a vertical line where they can best be seen. The highest and lowest of these lights shall be red and the middle light shall be white;"
There's c,d,e and f paragrafs for working vessels..

BR Teddy
__________________
TeddyDiver is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2016, 09:35   #142
Senior Cruiser
 
jackdale's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 4,931
Images: 1
Re: How Do You Anchor In Deep Ocean?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TeddyDiver View Post
Work is not required..
"(b) A vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre, except a vessel engaged in mine-clearance operations, shall exhibit:
three all-round lights in a vertical line where they can best be seen. The highest and lowest of these lights shall be red and the middle light shall be white;"
There's c,d,e and f paragrafs for working vessels..

BR Teddy
The defintion RAM in rule 3

Quote:
(g). The term “vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre” means a vessel which from the nature of her work is
restricted in her ability to manoeuvre as required by these Rules and is therefore unable to keep out of the way of
another vessel. The term “vessels restricted in their ability to manoeuvre” shall include but not be limited to:
(i). a vessel engaged in laying, servicing or picking up a navigation mark, submarine cable or pipeline;
(ii). a vessel engaged in dredging, surveying or underwater operations;
(iii). a vessel engaged in replenishment or transferring persons, provisions or cargo while underway;
(iv). a vessel engaged in the launching or recovery of aircraft;
(v). a vessel engaged in mine clearance operations;
(vi). a vessel engaged in a towing operation such as severely restricts the towing vessel and her tow in their ability to
deviate from their course.
Sleeping is not included.
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Ocean Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203,204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2016, 10:45   #143
Registered User
 
TeddyDiver's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Arctic Ocean
Boat: Under construction 35' ketch
Posts: 1,571
Images: 2
Re: How Do You Anchor In Deep Ocean?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jackdale View Post
Sleeping is not included.
Wasn't talking about sleeping, instead of sea anchor or drogue deployed as in the thread tittle suggests.

By the way, you sure you took the Quote from international rules, not US inland rules?

"THE INTERNATIONAL REGULATIONS FOR PREVENTING COLLISIONS AT SEA 1972

With amendments adopted from November 1995

Rule 27

Vessels not under command or restricted in their ability to manoeuvre.
(a) A vessel not under command shall exhibit:
(i) two all-round red lights in a vertical line where they can best be seen;
(ii) two balls or similar shapes in a vertical line where they can best be seen;
(iii) when making way through the water, in addition to the lights prescribed in this paragraph, sidelights and a stern light.

(b) A vessel restricted in her ability to manoeuvre, except a vessel engaged in mine clearance operations, shall exhibit:
(i) three all-round lights in a vertical line where they can best be seen. The highest and lowest of these lights shall be red and the middle light shall be white;
(ii) three shapes in a vertical line where they can best be seen. The highest and lowest of these shapes shall be balls and the middle one a diamond;
(iii) when making way through the water, a masthead light or lights, sidelights and a stern light, in addition to the lights prescribed in sub-paragraph (i);
(iv) When at anchor, in addition to the lights or shapes prescribed in sub-paragraphs (i) and (ii), the light, lights or shape prescribed in Rule 30.

(c) A power-driven vessel engaged in a towing operation such as severely restricts the towing vessel and her tow in their ability to deviate from their course shall, in addition to the lights and shapes prescribed in Rule 24 (a), exhibit the lights or shapes prescribed in sub-paragraphs (b) (i) and (ii) of this Rule.

(d) A vessel engaged in dredging or underwater operations, when restricted in her ability to manoeuvre, shall exhibit the lights and shapes prescribed in sub-paragraph(b) (i), (ii) and (iii) of this Rule and shall in addition, when an obstruction exists, exhibit;
(i) two all-round red lights or two balls in a vertical line to indicate the side on which the obstruction exists;
(ii) two all-round green lights or two diamonds in a vertical line to indicate the side on which side a vessel may pass;
(iii) when at anchor the lights or shapes prescribed in this paragraph instead of the lights or shape prescribed in Rule 30.

(e) Whenever the size of a vessel engaged in diving operations makes it impracticable to exhibit all the lights and shapes prescribed in the paragraph (d) of this Rule, the following shall be exhibited;
(i) three all-round lights in a vertical line where they can best be seen. The highest and lowest of these lights shall be red and the middle light shall be white;
(ii) a rigid replica of the International Code Flag "A" not less than 1 metre in height. Measures shall be taken to ensure its all-round visibility.

(f) A vessel engaged in mine clearance operations shall in addition to the lights prescribed for a power-driven vessel in Rule 23 or to the lights or shape prescribed for a vessel at anchor in Rule 30 as appropriate, exhibit three all-round green lights or three balls. One of these lights or shapes shall be exhibited near the foremast head and one at each end of the fore yard. These lights or shapes indicate that it is dangerous for another vessel to approach within 1000 metres of the mine clearance vessel.

(g) Vessels of less than 12 metres in length, except those engaged in diving operations shall not be required to exhibit the lights and shapes prescribed in this Rule.

(h) The signals prescribed in this Rule are not signals of vessels in distress and requiring assistance. Such signals are contained in Annex iv to these Regulations. "


BR Teddy
__________________
TeddyDiver is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2016, 10:56   #144
Registered User
 
TeddyDiver's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Arctic Ocean
Boat: Under construction 35' ketch
Posts: 1,571
Images: 2
Re: How Do You Anchor In Deep Ocean?

What comes to rule 3 you missed The term "vessels restricted in their ability to maneuver" shall include but not be limited to:"

BR Teddy
__________________
TeddyDiver is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2016, 07:40   #145
Senior Cruiser
 
jackdale's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 4,931
Images: 1
Re: How Do You Anchor In Deep Ocean?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TeddyDiver View Post
What comes to rule 3 you missed The term "vessels restricted in their ability to maneuver" shall include but not be limited to:"

BR Teddy
You missed "the nature of her work" . All of the vessels used as examples are working vessels.

I know of no case law around this.
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Ocean Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203,204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2016, 07:45   #146
Senior Cruiser
 
jackdale's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 4,931
Images: 1
Re: How Do You Anchor In Deep Ocean?

Quote:
Originally Posted by TeddyDiver View Post
Wasn't talking about sleeping, instead of sea anchor or drogue deployed as in the thread tittle suggests.

By the way, you sure you took the Quote from international rules, not US inland rules?
TheOP's question

Quote:
Newb question: in making a solo ocean crossing one needs to sleep at night, presumably. But oceans are deep; how could one possibly spool enough chain for an anchor to hit the ocean floor thousands of feet below?

Just how does a solo sailor anchor at night in deep ocean?
All of my quotes are from IRPCS.
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Ocean Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203,204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2016, 08:59   #147
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Out there doin' it
Boat: 47' Olympic Adventure
Posts: 2,347
Re: How Do You Anchor In Deep Ocean?

Quote:
Originally Posted by jackdale View Post
You missed "the nature of her work" . All of the vessels used as examples are working vessels.

I know of no case law around this.
I agree that RAM is not the appropriate signal to show. IIRC, Cockcroft states that vessels dragging anchor and sailing vessels becalmed are legitimately NUC. I contend that if you are compelled to use a para-anchor/drogue for storm conditions/repairs/sea-sickness/etc. then NUC is the proper signal. If going to para-anchor for sleep, then I suggest lighting for being at anchor is most correct. To that end, if just drifting under bare poles or hove-to for sleep, then while anchor lights might be more correct, NUC would be less confusing.
__________________
Lodesman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2016, 09:08   #148
Senior Cruiser

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Out there doin' it
Boat: 47' Olympic Adventure
Posts: 2,347
Re: How Do You Anchor In Deep Ocean?

Quote:
Originally Posted by buzzstar View Post
If you really do not know, please go back and delete your 3000+ posts since they are unreliable. If you do know, you are aware there is not exact answer, no answer that would fit in the space available, and you are simply being an ass. If you are speaking on behalf of those who may actually wonder, but are unable to use Google or some other source or search device, below is a quote I copied from Wikipedia. As I suspect you know, the idea is to avoid the areas where you are more likely to get run down by a large vessel heading, hell bent for leather for its next port via the best route. As you also know, cruising vessels under sail tend to follow routes that are related to prevailing winds, while commercial vessels have separate abilities and priorities that may allow more direct routes. There are outliers, and always will be (I hope) but reducing unnecessary risk is always a matter for consideration. So you ever look at charts, read books, or even the spin occasional globe?

"A sea lane, sea road or shipping lane is a regularly used route for vessels on oceans and large lakes."

BTW, "out of" is the opposite of "in the."

Please, next time, try to hit the bowl, not your leg.
BA has a book called something like "Shipping routes of the world"; ships don't always follow great circles - the routes changed by season, and took into account statistically-common winds, currents and weather. It's not so common anymore that ships follow these routes. Today they get up-to-the-minute weather information, and route planning changes enroute. In addition, commodities frequently change hands while the ship carrying them is travelling from port A to port B - it then has to change course to port C. The reality in this day and age, is that there is nowhere that is "outside of the shipping lanes."
__________________
Lodesman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2016, 09:26   #149
Senior Cruiser
 
jackdale's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 4,931
Images: 1
Re: How Do You Anchor In Deep Ocean?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lodesman View Post
I agree that RAM is not the appropriate signal to show. IIRC, Cockcroft states that vessels dragging anchor and sailing vessels becalmed are legitimately NUC. I contend that if you are compelled to use a para-anchor/drogue for storm conditions/repairs/sea-sickness/etc. then NUC is the proper signal. If going to para-anchor for sleep, then I suggest lighting for being at anchor is most correct. To that end, if just drifting under bare poles or hove-to for sleep, then while anchor lights might be more correct, NUC would be less confusing.
I agree with with your first two statements. I am not convinced about the rest.

You are underway when using a sea anchor or drogue

Quote:
(i) The word "underway" means that a vessel is not at anchor, or made fast to the shore, or aground.

An definition of anchor included being afixed to the sea bed.

Quote:
Term: anchor (n)
Definition: A heavy metal device which is lowered overboard on a line, and which digs into the bottom of the waterway to hold a ship in position against the wind and current.
Nautical Dictionary, Glossary and Terms directory: Search Results

Quote:
Vessels claiming not-under-command status are considered to be underway. That is, they re not considered to be at anchor, made fast to the shore, or aground.
Rule3.html
__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Ocean Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203,204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2016, 09:28   #150
Senior Cruiser
 
jackdale's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Calgary, AB, Canada
Posts: 4,931
Images: 1
Re: How Do You Anchor In Deep Ocean?

How many cruisers carry two balls and diamond, as well as two all round red lights and a white light?
__________________

__________________
ISPA Yachtmaster Ocean Instructor Evaluator
Sail Canada Advanced Cruising Instructor
IYT Yachtmaster Coastal Instructor
ASA 201, 203,204, 205, 206, 214
As I sail, I praise God, and care not. (Luke Foxe)
jackdale is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
anchor

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Volvo Ocean racers take a rain check on the Indian ocean sarafina Cruising News & Events 7 06-02-2012 13:52
Man's Effect on Deep Ocean - Scary Study avb3 Off Topic Forum 74 08-09-2011 22:10
crazy idea for those with deep pockets, spectra (dyneema) anchor line schoonerdog Multihull Sailboats 22 27-10-2008 02:46
Experience with Samson "Deep Six" 6-plait anchor rode? Bill Hoffman Anchoring & Mooring 3 29-07-2008 00:49
World Ocean Database and World Ocean Atlas Series GordMay The Library 2 15-01-2007 21:14


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:34.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.