Guns on boats equals 5 years jail time

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by zeehag View Post

formosa scott, have you always been in the habit of twisting the words of others to better accommodate your trolling and bullying narcissistic tendencies?? or is this a recent development in your personality?
when someone speaks of potential problems folks encounter when travelling with contraband and you interrupt with inanities, others are made aware of your problem. you are noncontributory in this discussion save the bullying and trolling. have a great day.
as for potential problems with bringing arms into other countries, just ask the marine who drove into tijuana, mexico with his weapon. how long did it take him to get home.

Originally Posted by Freemind

Please tell me what did your reference to the abortion issue contribute?
I've never met such an angry, hateful person
as you seem to be. It really is sad, I pity you.

WTF r u talking about.. do not see one word about abortion in your selection..

[Freemind]

Then read the thread.
Iirc, the attacks in this thread started in her first post. Pg 1.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by Going Walkabout

I feel the same. Im sick of all this Anti American hatred. I see no one attacking England or France. It just appears it is open season on the United States on this Forum. I understand the rules of this Forum prohibit personal attacks on individuals. I think their should be the same prohibition against attacks against countries. I hate restriction of speech of any kind but this Forum has become a safe haven for anti American trolls. So sad.

Don't see nobody attacking US and I genuinely believe that all respect US as a great nation. Maybe you don't know but most of the Europeans that are now on the 60's (and I guess that there are many here) were strongly influenced by the American generation that fought against Vietnam war and to stop the bombing over civilian populations.

I still remember many of the songs and songwriters that were the voice of that generation, not Europeans but Americans like Bob Dylan, Barry MacGuire, Joan Baez, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Joni Mitchell and many others and not a lonely voice since they were the ones that sell more records too.

That influence expressed itself in Europe at the end of the sixties beginning of the 70's showing a conflicting attitude regarding the conservatorism that was the rule here then. It influenced May of 68 in France and many similar movements on the subsequent years through Europe including the Portuguese revolution in 74.

It was not the Europeans that stop that war but the Americans. America always have been a big country with conflicting opinions and views about reality, you can see that regarding policy on guns, with many on each side, about policy on social services and welfare, about foreign US policies.

Wanting to call anti Americans the ones that express opinions regarding American foreign policy that don't match your own but match others of many Americans makes not any sense.

Just looking back on the last year's Obama changed many of the US policies that went one for years, from torture as a legitimate way to get information from terrorists to American way of interventionism or even the position regarding Israel. Some would say that it doesn't change the essential, but important changes nonetheless, changes I bet you don't like.

[Stu Jackson]

Originally Posted by Freemind

Then read the thread.
Iirc, the attacks in this thread started in her first post. Pg 1.

Attacks? Hardly. It's only an attack if you feel threatened. Why do you feel threatened just by reading someone's opinions. The people who believe there is a "War on Xmas" tend to get that way...

boatman, here's what she said:

another hypocrisy i found was the attitude some have about alleged right to life--- seems only fetuses are allowed that by the spewers of this chant... they will murder physicians and kill staffing in clinics and yell about rights to bear arms--and kill whom they choose to kill in the name of right to life.
imagine how this all looks to the citizens of the nations in which we cruise--


Hypocrisy? Well and truly. "They" also don't support foster kids. Once they're born, those types tend to forget them. [Disclaimer: I'm a foster kid. What would I know? ]

Just some more opinions, not attacks.

[Nicholson58]

Originally Posted by zeehag

ha ha ha the only place to steer clear of is the overly ignorant and violent usa.
sadly this is reality.
arrogance is one thing, imposing ones arrogance on others is unforgiveable.
acting as if one is the policeman for world is arrogance.
PRESUMING the rest of the world is as violent as is usa is arrogance.
PRESUMING that, just because you are a citizen of usa you have right to carry arms into other nations is extreme arrogance. the rights of individuals in usa are merely for usa.
you are NOT covered outside usa borders.
leave your guns at home when you cruise.
avoid problem areas wherein folks are suffering hardship.
donot flaunt your wealth, which, even if you are ssi recipient, is much more than in hands of citizens of the places you travel.
remember a boat is a sign of wealth.
i love reading the ignorant rantings of those who feel the NEED to bear arms in other locales than merely in their on nasty neighborhoods.
makes me laugh my ass off.
ye take weapons into other nations without researching the laws of those locations and then scream bludi murder when you are detained for such behavior.
your actions reflect the nation from which your snakelike bodies slither from the borders. it is unfortunate the usa has individuals such as you to reinforce the ugliness that is the american abroad. shameful.
y'all MUST read "the ugly american". it was a book written about the likes of you all.
perhaps you might drop the narcissistic approach and begin a less obnoxious attitude--perhaps a little more educated and willing to absorb new kinowledge....
try learning what is happening in the world around ye, learn where the hotspots of the world are and avoid em.
the respons to your rantings about your illegal weaponry are hilarious, as you are only ones demanding to bear arms at sea. what ye expecting, a bludi world revolution?? why do you feel NEED to carry armament into these peaceful waters we cruise?? why do you feel your wimpy weaponry will protect you in a war zone??
get real. why do you insist on making all areas in which you feel urge to bring these weapons a war zone--which is what you are doing by bringing weapons of war into the places we cruise.
are you planning to overthrow a govt?? are you planning on killing someone in their own nation>?? what will you do AFTER you shoot someone with your war weapons?? do you think you will be set loose on the countryside and applauded? i think not-- you WILL suffer time in a prison in a third world dick-tatershit waiting forever for trial, which may never come to be. you are in violation of their laws and on their land. yeah usa may come to your rescue, or not.
outside of usa you may find napoleonic law as a base -- you are guilty until proven innocent-- and you will not be proven innocent if you shoot a weapon and injure or kill someone outside usa.
facts is facts. laws are laws. obey them. live in peace.
do you have lots of money??
do you have lots of clout in usa??
if not--leave the stupidity and your clown car in your local pawn shop on your way out of usa.

instead of taking offense at being disallowed weaponry in other nations, try thinking about the consequences of shooting that forbidden weapon in the country in which it is forbidden.
enjoy your alleged rights, but only within your own nation.
you have none outside usa.
usa is only nation allows weaponry for its defense to be in hands of the citizens. think about it a while.
and then there is maritime law, with its ownsets of rules and regulations regarding weaponry.. read em all and understand your tenuous at best standing in and outside of the legal network of the planet.

another hypocrisy i found was the attitude some have about alleged right to life--- seems only fetuses are allowed that by the spewers of this chant... they will murder physicians and kill staffing in clinics and yell about rights to bear arms--and kill whom they choose to kill in the name of right to life.
imagine how this all looks to the citizens of the nations in which we cruise--

keep your testosterone in your pants and guns in the pawn shop when you cruise.
you are supposedly cruising in peace, are you not?
if that is so, why bring war weapons with ye??? is NOT for protection.

as for usa saving anyones asses--- as the situation has been set up by govt of usa, banning armed usa citizens only makes sense. think about it a while. mebbe your narcissistic selves might be able to eek out a thought that is not centered around self.
how soon the cycles of history are forgotten. perhaps due to the fail of education systemless in usa...rodl..
another problem in usa is that the citizens have been dummied down--many of ht e important things to learn have been omitted and banned from education. the kids are being taught the usa is the only intelligence between earth and mars, when in reality, usa has one of the worst education systems and records in planet. the kids are not being taught anything useful anymore. nanny state and political correctness is not education. it is arrogance personified. the ugly american has gotten only uglier than when i first encountered the phenomenon in europe in 1971.

ye do not see other nations producing gun nutz, do ye??/ hell no.
get over your obsession with weaponry. speak peace--do peace. walk your talk

Zee - I really wish you would just speak up if something is on your mind. Please stop holding back. We really value your opinion.

[Stu Jackson]

deleted duplicate post

[jmschmidt]

That sentence will last until India needs its next foreign aid payment from the US. The rules are easy enough to find (on the internet) and easy enough to follow. Most countries are not a problem in this regard.

[boatman61]

Originally Posted by Stu Jackson

Attacks? Hardly. It's only an attack if you feel threatened. Why do you feel threatened just by reading someone's opinions. The people who believe there is a "War on Xmas" tend to get that way...

boatman, here's what she said:

another hypocrisy i found was the attitude some have about alleged right to life--- seems only fetuses are allowed that by the spewers of this chant... they will murder physicians and kill staffing in clinics and yell about rights to bear arms--and kill whom they choose to kill in the name of right to life.
imagine how this all looks to the citizens of the nations in which we cruise--


Hypocrisy? Well and truly. "They" also don't support foster kids. Once they're born, those types tend to forget them. [Disclaimer: I'm a foster kid. What would I know? ]

Just some more opinions, not attacks.

Ahah..!! an analogy one could say.. but nothing to get ones knickers in a twist over.. still.. some folk don't get them..
Now if she'd compared Obama to Mugabe I would have felt she was going a little over the top..

[Polux]

Originally Posted by adlib2

... We discussed the prevailing enthusiasm and compared it with Canada. Canadians own per capita just as many guns as Americans, but you would never know it.
I have two brother-in-laws and a cousin that are keen members of rifle clubs in the UK. They always purchased new scopes, etc when visiting me in NA. They rarely discuss guns, if ever.
.... fails to understand the different attitude other societies have on weaponry.
I don't believe Americans as a people will ever learn their gun laws create more problems for them than they solve when traveling, certainly not in my life time.

My sailing buddies from the last years are two French sailors (couple) from Saint Malo (France). I know them well from the last years, being lot's of time together and they have been for a week at my house recently.

During a movie at home I noticed that he was telling, a bit to himself, the brands and models of the different pistols that were used on the movie, some kind of thriller and I asked him if he was kidding or if he really knew all about that. He said yes, and it was his wife that told me that he had been for several years France pistol champion of silhouette targeting or something like that.

It was amazing that for years I did not know anything about that, never mentioned it, never talked about it. I am pretty sure he would consider an absolutely insane idea to have a gun on a boat

[zeehag]

there were NO attacks by me but were OBSERVATIONS of the manner in which my countrymen carry themselves when abroad.
ps abroad means out of usa.
tou are SHAMEFUL.
this is brought to my attention by the locals who live where i cruise as well as by officials and friends outside usa.
mebbe you need to travel some to understand.

life is an adventure meant to be LIVED!!!

[zeehag]

oops cannot edit from fone. the ONLY allusions to abortion in any thing i mentioned in this thread were from the 20 vpices in your wannabe freemind. gree yourself of those extra adverse influences and understand written language.

life is an adventure meant to be LIVED!!!

[zeehag]

right to lifer hypocrisy does not equate to abortion. mebbe education is a bit overrated, as so many are unable to absorb information as such.

life is an adventure meant to be LIVED!!!

[Scout 30]

I think it's important to remember that all Americans aren't as thin skinned as some on this thread. I, for one, have found Zee's diatribes kind of entertaining. I've also found the constant complaining about people hating the US a little embarrassing. All too often we believe in freedom of speech until someone says something we don't agree with. This is a hugely diverse country which is what really makes it great.

[Polux]

Originally Posted by boatman61

Actually I think you'll find we are what the Soviets used to call 'Buffer States'..
Your Armed Forces are here to ensure any wars are fought on someone else's territory..

Hum, like the British help to Portugal during Napoleonic wars?

By the way if you have nothing to do read the Sharpe series about the Napoleonic wars in Portugal. Great books by Bernard Cornwell
About the Sharpe Books | Bernard Cornwell

[Bulawayo]

This case is a lot more complicated than is apparent. I have been following it. Briefly, it was an anti-piracy escort vessel. There is a dispute as to whether the vessel was even within the territorial waters or that it was escorted into same. The vessel openly acknowledged it was armed for the purpose stated - the vessel was clearly identified with large painted signs acknowledging its purpose. It was not hiding.
Not withstanding, in my opinion the Indian Govt has over reacted to the situation - they shall certainly be gratefull when the vessel escorted vessels protecting others but now it is convenient to apply the law in a way in which is was not intended.

Originally Posted by Polux

I normally don't care less with what other people do but I noticed that many talk about the need to have guns aboard for protection in what regards sailing on dangerous regions.

Better be aware of what it can happen if you are caught with them: 5 years jail time on a democratic country like India has impressed me.

"... a trial court in Tuticorin in south Tamil Nadu on Monday convicted 23 foreign nationals, all of whom were onboard a detained U.S. anti-piracy vessel ‘MV Seaman Guard Ohio’, under provisions of the Arms Act. The foreigners and 12 Indians, cited as co-accused, have been sentenced to undergo a five-year rigorous imprisonment term for illegally entering Indian waters with a huge cache of arms and ammunition..""
" However, it seems that the judge(es) making current decision have accused every single person on the ship for carrying a gun..."

Five-year RI for 35 crew members of US ship Seaman Guard Ohio - The Hindu

Americans due to the way guns are allowed on their country don't have an idea of how private ownership of war guns is viewed by law on other countries and the penalties they would be subjected if they are caught with them.

War guns are not necessarily automatic rifles. On several European countries a caliber 38 or over is considered a war gun and even if licensed a private citizen can only use for self defense small calibers. Those licenses are hard to get and have to be justified.

Not a Gun thread, not interested in that at all. Only a warning about what can happen if one is caught out of US with guns aboard.