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Old 19-01-2016, 10:02   #121
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It's inherent in our nature. As Alexander Hamilton wrote, long ago, “The sacred rights of mankind are not to be rummaged for among old parchments or musty records. They are written, as with a sunbeam, in the whole volume of human nature, by the Hand of Divinity itself, and can never be erased or obscured by mortal power.”

The right to life includes the right to self defense, and the right to self defense includes as a corollary the right to the tools of self defense.
Bet I can find some vague bollocks proving the opposite. Btw, divinity is a meme in my opinion. On the other hand, was it not the son of god who told us to turn the other cheek.
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Peace has never come out of the Middle East, even before guns were invented.

Intelligent people don't blame the tool, they understand that tribes or governments wage war, regardless of weaponry used...
You mean peace did never exist on the cradle of civilization?
What an odd thing to say. Maybe we should never have raised above stone age

To the moderators: Maybe this thread should be moved to out of topic forum. I am the OP and never intended this to be out of the the parameters that relate guns on boats but obviously most posts have nothing to do with it. There are some interesting political posts here and the thread is interesting but not here.
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Are you for real? Do you get ads for guns??? That is so immoral.
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They didn't come voluntarily, they only came after being provoked and only fought when the soviets already had the nazis on their knees. Allthough I loathe stalin and what he stood for (socialism in one country) I must admit he was brilliant at fighting the nazis.
Btw, I do not believe there are many americans left who fought in WW2 and why should I be grateful to someone who happens to be born in the same country as someone who fought in a war 20 years before I was born?
I don't understand why it's so difficult for some americans to abide by the laws of other countries. If a country's population does not wish people to carry guns then why is it so difficult not to carry a gun into that country? If it were mandatory to carry a gun when going to a country, I would avoid that country.
Son, you need to read up on your history a little more, the soviets _didn't_ have the Nazis "on their knees" before we joined the war, in fact, they were losing millions of people on the eastern front and getting their azzes handed to them. The siege of Leningrad lasted until January of 1944. And a big part of the reason that they were able to break out of Russia and start the march west was because of our years long, almost constant bombing of German material, transport and military assets. Please, get your facts straight before you make yourself look (more) silly. Oh, and you should care, because you would probably be speaking German right now, instead of your native language (if you would have even been born), if we hadn't came in with our "unwilling" soldiers. You are truly a piece of work, sir. Truly.
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but never intended this to be out of the the parameters that relate guns on boats
I don't doubt your intentions, but really ... what did you think would happen when you posted about (not) taking your guns for a cruise?
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Are you for real? Do you get ads for guns??? That is so immoral.
Criminals are immoral, not guns. The police use guns to stop the bad guys thus guns are good.
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However, after the war, it was the dreaded Treaty of Versailles in 1919 pushed by the French Prime Minister Clemenceau for its harshest measures to neutralize and weaken Germany--an age-old enemy/threat and power that led to WWII. US President Wilson and Lloyd George of England were against the harsh treatment of the Germans since they knew, in their wisdom, that it would affect the rebuilding of Germany and create hatred among the German people for their ultimate national and economic destruction. However reluctantly, they still signed the decree. Ultimately, Wilson and George were correct as History unfolded and it was the spite, hatred and fear of Germany by the French, not the US, that caused the emergence of Hitler and ultimately WWII. Good luck. Dr. Rognvald, Professor Emeritus Cruisers University.
For perspective, by their own standards, the Treaty of Versailles was very mild for Germany.

If you want to see a really bad and offensive Treaty, look at what Germany imposed on Russia in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, 3 March 1918.

The Treaty of Versailles was blown out of all proportion by the Nazis, but I say that as someone who would have also been in favour of an even milder one.

It also needs to be borne in mind that Kaiser Bill had been feeling his oats and itching for trouble for a very long time, and it was his grandmother Queen Victoria that had kept him pretty much in line. and restrained him from embracing too much stupid, for a very long time.
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Son, you need to read up on your history a little more, the soviets _didn't_ have the Nazis "on their knees" before we joined the war, in fact, they were losing millions of people on the eastern front. The siege of Leningrad lasted until January of 1944. And a big part of the reason that they were able to break out of Russia and start the march west was because of our years long, almost constant bombing of German material, transport and military assets. Please, get your facts straight before you make yourself look silly.
I never said before you got into the war, I said specifically before you started fighting in europe. Maybe you should check your facts. before making yourself look like an idiot.
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When I go shopping there's 1 post and 1 reply.

I come back from shopping and there's 130 posts...



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I always thought it was so incredible that a 500 ton ship could be pulled over by a leaky skiff with 4 crazed Somalis with small arms weapons.... over and over again.... I think the Europeans have become overly domesticated with the Pax Americana. I think it is time to return to within the American borders and watch the inevitable lesson which will ensue. I think lessons have to be relearned as history recedes from short term memory.
They don't get "pulled over".
Commercial vessels generally have only one person keeping watch on the bridge. The skiffs used by the pirates do not show up on radar, (IF it is being adequately monitored).
The pirates are adept at climbing aboard undetected. They then overpower enough key personnel to take command of the ship.
European navies deploy in a multinational task force in the Red Sea/Indian Ocean region where they have all but eradicated the piracy that was once rife there. There is also a multinational European naval presence in the Mediterranean involved in a humanitarian operation to save the lives of tens of thousands of refugees fleeing from the chaos in the Middle East that was initiated by the inept meddling of the Bushes, father and son, in Iraq.
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Criminals are immoral, not guns. The police use guns to stop the bad guys thus guns are good.
Yeah right, try and come up with something new for a change. That phrase is old and hollow. Police in the uk do not carry guns, still they do a better job than the police in the us.
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118 posts in a thread in a single morning. Someone should keep statistics.

Anyway I hope the OP realizes that he's replaced the nice Tshirt ads with boring ads for gun holsters in the side panel. :-(
I seem to be getting loads of adverts for cruises now! lmao!
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Quote: "With all the ill will towards Americans it is clear why some feel the need to be able to protect themselves."

If the bastards really ARE after you, it's not paranoia you feel!

So the real questions are why are there so many bastards out to "get" America? Why is Pax Americana an "Empire of Fear"?

And let's be very careful to maintain the conceptual distinction twixt "Murrica" and "Americans"

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Yup, this thread is going to tax the CF servers, as usual.

What bothers me about the OP's message is the term "Rigorous Imprisonment"

WTH does THAT mean?
That's what the Indian Legal System calls "Hard Labour"
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I never said before you got into the war, I said specifically before you started fighting in europe. Maybe you should check your facts. before making yourself look like an idiot.
Ok, so when did we start fighting in Europe, and when exactly were the soviets kicking Hitlers butt? Enlighten me on your knowledge, I am always eager to learn new things.
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