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Old 19-01-2016, 09:42   #106
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I think that's code for "you're getting a very amorous cell mate."
Oh my! : D
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Maybe some necessary food for thought.

In a 100 day period in Rwanda, in 1994, up to a million people were slaughtered.

That slaughter was mostly carried out with machete's.

The important point is, those people that were slaughtered, didn't have the necessary means available to be able to fight back and defend themselves.

Deny the effective means of self defence, and you deny the Right of Self Defence.
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It is my assumption that Vipe6 was not critisizing American cars as such, just the American arrogance as to which cars should be used.
Maybe he wanted to ride in a car that had working power windows?
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Sorry, but as a loyal American, this sort of discussion nonetheless reminds me of a statistic that says, more or less, 85% of US Citizens don't have passports. This has all sorts of side effects, which those of us fortunate enough to travel and live in a number of countries, see very boldly. As I said, sorry......really sorry!
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So the person with the gun trying to defend himself is the bad guy, and the poor little thief or mugger is just a victim
Actually -- according to Dutch law, shooting an unarmed intruder is considered (attempted) murder as it is considered "excessive force" (sorry, not 100% sure how to translate the legal terms here).
This is the case in plenty of countries, and the law applies whether you agree with it or not.
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Since this is a cruising forum why don't we steer this back to a conversation related to cruising.... I think I can safely assume that carry guns when cruising Cuba would be monumentally dumb.
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I would say specially "monumentally dumb" on an American boat
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And yet you seem strangely ungrateful for the many innocent American lives lost in the effort to save Europe.They voluntarily came to a foreign land, gave their lives so that others may be free, and this is how some people view them.

How sad.
They didn't come voluntarily, they only came after being provoked and only fought when the soviets already had the nazis on their knees. Allthough I loathe stalin and what he stood for (socialism in one country) I must admit he was brilliant at fighting the nazis.
Btw, I do not believe there are many americans left who fought in WW2 and why should I be grateful to someone who happens to be born in the same country as someone who fought in a war 20 years before I was born?
I don't understand why it's so difficult for some americans to abide by the laws of other countries. If a country's population does not wish people to carry guns then why is it so difficult not to carry a gun into that country? If it were mandatory to carry a gun when going to a country, I would avoid that country.
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To all American people who want to bring their guns cruising, it goes like this:

1) Guns in USA= Good
2) Guns outside the USA= Bad

3) Conclusion: leave your guns in the USA

Any questions, please read 1), 2) and 3) again.

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The rest of the world
Actually many Americans think guns=bad.

Please don't over simplify.

Though I do give you saying "Americans who want to bring your guns cruising".

On the other hand, I think the news shows there are plenty of available guns in "the rest of the world".
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ha ha ha the only place to steer clear of is the overly ignorant and violent usa.
Please do, forevermore.
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The place I grew up in was liberated by Poles, who themselves had to wait for more than 4 decades to be free themselves, thanks to Roosevelt and Stalin dividing up Europe...
But then WW II would not even have happened if the US had stayed out of WW I...
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Wherever you went to school, you must have been sleeping during your World History classes. Roosevelt and Stalin did not parcel out Eastern Europe-- Stalin forcibly occupied those countries after the fall of Berlin and they became the future United Soviet Republics. It was Roosevelt's weakness and reluctance to continue the war in 1945 and negotiate for a better deal that enabled Stalin and Mother Russia to be the greatest winner of WWII. And, it was U.S. General MacArthur that advised Roosevelt to continue forward and liberate Eastern Europe from the Soviets and neutralize the Russian threat in the future. Of course, we know what happened and the resulting Cold War and the threat of nuclear confrontation lasted 44 years until Reagan and Gorbachev dismantled the Iron Curtain and tore down the Berlin Wall.
Secondly, no educated person would make your last statement that "WWII would not have happened if the US stayed out of WWI." This is patently absurd since WWI exploded because of territorial disputes, alliances, economic conflicts, colonial issues that related to the balance of power in Europe caused by the decline in the Ottoman Empire and the burgeoning power grabbing for control over Europe by the English, French, and Russians opposed to Germany. Archduke Ferdinand of Austria assassination was just the fuse that set the fire. It was Germany, Austro-Hungary, Serbia, France, Russia and Great Britain who in an unstoppable domino effect caused the conflagration. US President Woodrow Wilson, acting as a peacemaker, tried to keep the US out of the war for 2 1/2 years until April of 1917 when merchant ships were bombed by German subs. At that point, the US became involved. However, after the war, it was the dreaded Treaty of Versailles in 1919 pushed by the French Prime Minister Clemenceau for its harshest measures to neutralize and weaken Germany--an age-old enemy/threat and power that led to WWII. US President Wilson and Lloyd George of England were against the harsh treatment of the Germans since they knew, in their wisdom, that it would affect the rebuilding of Germany and create hatred among the German people for their ultimate national and economic destruction. However reluctantly, they still signed the decree. Ultimately, Wilson and George were correct as History unfolded and it was the spite, hatred and fear of Germany by the French, not the US, that caused the emergence of Hitler and ultimately WWII. Good luck. Dr. Rognvald, Professor Emeritus Cruisers University.
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Ex Chief Inspector of Police (UK) and Criminologist, Colin Greenwood:

"No matter how one approaches the figures, one is forced to the rather startling conclusion that the use of firearms in crime was very much less when there were no controls of any sort and when anyone, convicted criminal or lunatic, could buy any type of firearm without restriction. Half a century of strict controls on pistols has ended, perversely, with a far greater use of this weapon in crime than ever before."

It was the same sort of figures that shocked anti gun researcher John Lott (professor at University of Chicago), causing him to change his mind and become pro-gun.

I did say, that after I was shot, I started digging deeply into the subject.

I didn't expect what I found either.

PS I am interested in a flare gun for the boat, because from the safety aspect and associated economy aspect, I think they make a lot of sense to have as an enhancement to the efficiency and effectiveness of standard flares.
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I don't normally find the 'gun debate' interesting, it is basically nothing to do with me. I read this and found myself remembering my first 'trip abroad', England to France, as a teenager. I remember being amazed and somewhat awed by the sight of the French police because they had gun! I is hard to convey to some one from the USA but that was not just the first time I had seen a real gun it was the first time I had even considered that such a thing even existed. Guns weren't real they where part of the fantasy on TV, guns where in westerns or war movies not for real. This wasn't just me it was normal for my time and place but if you do carry a gun think about it and it may help to understand why some people 'overreact' to the mere presence of one.
I have since become a national class marksman and live in Grizzly country where every other person has a moose in the fridge so not 'anti gun' but I must admit to still 'noticing' the guns the police carry.
I must admit to a similar experience, as a child, when brought on holiday "(vacation"to you Yanks ) to Northern Ireland (pre-Troubles).
The sight of the local village policeman cycling along on his bicycle with a pistol on his hip amazed me. I had only seen guns previously in Westerns. Like Roland I am also very conscious of the guns carried by policemen when I visit countries where the police are armed. I am not against guns and would like to own one in the right context, but what I am against is the attitude of Americans with regard to their ownership.
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And yet you seem strangely ungrateful for the many innocent American lives lost in the effort to save Europe.They voluntarily came to a foreign land, gave their lives so that others may be free, and this is how some people view them.

How sad.
"Voluntarily"? I thought they were conscripted and sent where the Government thought fit.
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And where does this so called right to carry weapons emanate from?
It's inherent in our nature. As Alexander Hamilton wrote, long ago, “The sacred rights of mankind are not to be rummaged for among old parchments or musty records. They are written, as with a sunbeam, in the whole volume of human nature, by the Hand of Divinity itself, and can never be erased or obscured by mortal power.”

The right to life includes the right to self defense, and the right to self defense includes as a corollary the right to the tools of self defense.
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118 posts in a thread in a single morning. Someone should keep statistics.

Anyway I hope the OP realizes that he's replaced the nice Tshirt ads with boring ads for gun holsters in the side panel. :-(
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