Guns on boats equals 5 years jail time

[Siberianhusky]

Originally Posted by Canibul

I notice very few counties seem to have a prohibition against armed Amerrcans when they need them to save their asses, though.

Seems to me americans have gotten THEIR asses kicked everytime they have gone to "war" since WW 2, certainly can't claim to have won a thing in the mid east. All they did there was create groups like ISIS and such.
Got beaten like a dog in Vietnam, Korea is still technically at war.
Still troops in Irac and Afghanistan after how many years of "victory"?
Lets not forget us Canadians kicking your collective asses in 1812. Manifest destiny? How'd that turn out for ya'll?
The only reason you didn't go after more of Mexico was the fact they weren't white!
"We have never dreamt of incorporating into our Union any but the Caucasian race—the free white race. To incorporate Mexico, would be the very first instance of the kind, of incorporating an Indian race; for more than half of the Mexicans are Indians, and the other is composed chiefly of mixed tribes. I protest against such a union as that! Ours, sir, is the Government of a white race.... We are anxious to force free government on all; and I see that it has been urged ... that it is the mission of this country to spread civil and religious liberty over all the world, and especially over this continent. It is a great mistake"
John C Calhoun Speech to congress Jan 4 1848

[Formosa Scott]

Originally Posted by zeehag

It seams that it is you that has passed judgment and wishes to impose their will on others.

[zeehag]

Originally Posted by Siberianhusky

Seems to me americans have gotten THEIR asses kicked everytime they have gone to "war" since WW 2, certainly can't claim to have won a thing in the mid east. All they did there was create groups like ISIS and such.
Got beaten like a dog in Vietnam, Korea is still technically at war.
Still troops in Irac and Afghanistan after how many years of "victory"?
Lets not forget us Canadians kicking your collective asses in 1812. Manifest destiny? How'd that turn out for ya'll?
The only reason you didn't go after more of Mexico was the fact they weren't white!
"We have never dreamt of incorporating into our Union any but the Caucasian race—the free white race. To incorporate Mexico, would be the very first instance of the kind, of incorporating an Indian race; for more than half of the Mexicans are Indians, and the other is composed chiefly of mixed tribes. I protest against such a union as that! Ours, sir, is the Government of a white race.... We are anxious to force free government on all; and I see that it has been urged ... that it is the mission of this country to spread civil and religious liberty over all the world, and especially over this continent. It is a great mistake"
John C Calhoun Speech to congress Jan 4 1848

ok now-- so do you agree that a govt founded on hypocrisy and prejudice and arrogance can be anything other than that ever in its lifespan??
oh yes, and that includes the folks who allegedly make up the constituency.
seems not, as demonstrated by usa at present-- doing all in power merely to allegedly equalize races, by introducing even more extreme racism into the mix. bigotry is not killed by inventing preventative laws and nannyisms,
as if more racism and political correctness by law is not racism... rodlmffao.
but this is not racism thread, this is a gun nut thread, as opposed to a gun thread.. there is a big difference between gun nut thread and gun thread....
the arrogance of usa in the policing of our planet has grown disproportionaltely to the number of nations requiring actual policing. and who gave us that right to police world, when there is planetary police department called united nations.......corporate greed rules this planet, not human beings. arrogance is king.
it is only natural, therefore, to want to kill with weaponry anyone unknown and fearsome. to some , that includes all others in life on planet.

and, so, what happened to the italians who murdered the indian fishers?? were they permitted to live or were they taken into imprisonment and punished, and what was the punishment, please.. or did they not make it to prison for that state punishment??

[Dulcesuenos]

Originally Posted by Formosa Scott

It seams that it is you that has passed judgment and wishes to impose their will on others.

Not to mention over 20,000 drug related murders in Mexico last year alone, probably over half a million murders by estimates in the last 20 years, yet the US is dangerous, wow Zee, you always seem so anti Ugly American gringo everything
The firearm murder rate in mexico is almost 4 times the US.

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[nauticalnomad]

Originally Posted by Canibul

I notice very few counties seem to have a prohibition against armed Amerrcans when they need them to save their asses, though.

WTF.... America's govt.. So i didnt come off as racist..Not the people!
The govt brainwashes you as its citizens to think that you are "saving the world"..
The worlds been brainswashed with an influx of repeated movies of America or some " American hero" saving all of us or others bla bla bla.
The wars of the world even before WW2 were backed, manipulated or started by the US govt.. And then the population bleats out.. "Save our asses" The Desert dwellers in the middle east would not know where most of the world was unless a certain govt had not set up camp there and seperated tribes to cause internal conflict and make somenot all greedy from oil. They manipulated the govts of the world for their own gain. I cant believe that you think the world is ok with the actions.. If anything the rest of us are sitting here waiting for someone to come and save us all from America...

[robert sailor]

This must be some sort of record for C F as it certainly is not politically correct . Hey Zeehag you have got things half ass figured out, good on ya.

[Formosa Scott]

Originally Posted by nauticalnomad

If anything the rest of us are sitting here waiting for someone to come and save us all from America...

Be sure you fly an ISIS flag to show your support, they have taken up your cause.

[Dulcesuenos]

Did anyone bother to read the article and see how many Americans on board? Really?

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[K_V_B]

Originally Posted by Canibul

I notice very few counties seem to have a prohibition against armed Amerrcans when they need them to save their asses, though.

The place I grew up in was liberated by Poles, who themselves had to wait for more than 4 decades to be free themselves, thanks to Roosevelt and Stalin dividing up Europe...
But then WW II would not even have happened if the US had stayed out of WW I...

[S/V Alchemy]

Originally Posted by Polux

Not a Gun thread, not interested in that at all. Only a warning about what can happen if one is caught out of US with guns aboard.

That the cultural practices of America are exceptional and are not viewed as "inalienable rights" elsewhere can come as a shock to the relatively few Americans who travel abroad, particularly by boat, which is often seen in the same category as "private, moated castle". It isn't. It's a guest vessel in other countries (and, in fact, isn't particularly private in U.S. waters, where the CG can board and seize freely without warrant). As such, it and its crew are subject to local laws.

And yet on any given day, as far as I know, there's discussion about how to circumvent, rather than how to accommodate, such laws on discussion boards such as this.

[astokel]

Time to close this thread. Too many haters.

[mserafi1]

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Huh? Is it over yet?

[Vipe6]

Originally Posted by nauticalnomad

WTF.... America's govt.. So i didnt come off as racist..Not the people!
The govt brainwashes you as its citizens to think that you are "saving the world"..
The worlds been brainswashed with an influx of repeated movies of America or some " American hero" saving all of us or others bla bla bla.
The wars of the world even before WW2 were backed, manipulated or started by the US govt.. And then the population bleats out.. "Save our asses" The Desert dwellers in the middle east would not know where most of the world was unless a certain govt had not set up camp there and seperated tribes to cause internal conflict and make somenot all greedy from oil. They manipulated the govts of the world for their own gain. I cant believe that you think the world is ok with the actions.. If anything the rest of us are sitting here waiting for someone to come and save us all from America...

While I agree with what Zeehag says and some of your comments I think you are wrong about the wars uo to WW2. It was in fact the Americans who commented on the Versailles Treaty in 1918 that France and Britain were planting the seeds for a new war (and they were right at the time). Let us not forget that it was the soviets who fought (and won) WW2 for us, the rest only came in after the soviets had already beaten the nazis on the eastern front. The wars AFTER WW2 can be put in 2 categories: capitalism against communism in the cold war and conflicts in the middle east because the british gave away a piece of land that wasn't theirs to give away but which they had promised in WW1 and WW2 in return for pulling the usa into both conflicts. (The promise had been made in WW1 already but the british never fulfilled that promise in the interbellum).
For some reason or other the americans (and their supporters in europe) seem to confuse democracy with raw capitalism since the days of reagan/thatcher. I think they assume they have the right to do so since they erroneously seem to think that reagans capitalism defeated communism and therefore this recipe of disaster must be consumed by all. Communism was never defeated by capitalism but by stalinism. It was defeated shortly after stalin came to power when he thought ther could be such a thing as socialism in one country.
The majority of countries in the world are living proof that it is absolutely not necessary for civilians to carry guns. The subjective feeling for americans that they do need to carry weapons is constantly being kemt alive by films and of course lobying. What's really scary is that some far right politicians in europe like for instance the mayor of antwerp are moving in the direction of america, buying superheavy guns for the police.

[sailingfarmer]

I guess a water called machine gun on the pulpit is out of the question in Europe? ;-)

"A gentleman must not be deprived of his weapons" : Heathcliff, Wuthering Heights, Emily Bronte

I guess there are no gentlemen anymore.

I think if Customs puts a seal on a gun locker while in Port ... that that should be sufficient safety for a country accommodating sailors of good repute who sail sometimes in the "not so safe" waters in the world where there is no 911.

[Vipe6]

Originally Posted by Formosa Scott

Be sure you fly an ISIS flag to show your support, they have taken up your cause.

The world isn't only black and white. It's not that whlie some of us do not agree with american foreign politics that we are supporters of IS, far from it. For me both are as despicable. You can bomb the world to pieces but you can't bomb it into peace. Never has there been any peace as a result of war, peace has never come from the barrel of a gun.