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Old 10-04-2014, 19:00   #1171
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Re: Forum Member's Boat and Daughter in Trouble off of Mexico

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Pretty easy to mock people who "take a leap of faith" and then beg to be rescued by the government they so vigorously denigrated. Not much faith left when the SHTF for real, eh?
If it matters, they weren't rescued by the Government but by a fishing boat, then taken to Chile, where they borrowed $10k from the State Department to pay for the flight home. From the news report, their main concern was how they were going to pay back that debt.

So perhaps they aren't as worthy of being mocked as you think? Now that I think of it, I'm not who does deserve to be mocked who set out to sea following a dream, even if the dream makes no sense to others.
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Another read the whole piece. He has an opinion we all can get a bit carried away let me quote what he said in ine post "used to judge everyone, then I stopped judging anyone, now I'm sort of in the middle. If you're happy and safe on the water, you're doing something right, even if I would do things differently. So I'm definitely over sitting around the docks telling people what they should do. There's a lot of boat styles and lifestyles that work, what works for me might not work for someone else and"
So he sees some issues. God fir bid I get judged on my every post or reaction.


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In fairness to Rebel Heart, he probably does not (should not) have a problem with those critiquing the situation he himself found himself due to the fact he has mocked others in the past for getting into situations and being rescued.
I don't beleive in the mantra 'what comes round goes round' at all - but what I do believe is that when you point the finger at someone, there is four pointing back at you.
Personally I have no problem at all in that he called for help and that he and his family are now safe. But I do have a problem with other posters who jump on others that have a differing opinion to the "group hugz".
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Old 10-04-2014, 19:01   #1173
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Eric also bashed the crew of the Zenamaran:
what a mess: zenamaran

Crew member got sick...
Lost steering...
Tried to get back to Mexico...
Called for help...
Picked up by a cargo ship.

No kid, and not the US military, but the story is close.

Then the arrogant comment:


I'm glad that they're all OK, and I'm sorry that they lost their home, but a hero's welcome?

Maybe there's a lesson in humility somewhere.


Looks like his primary beef with that guy was abondoning his vessel and leaving it adrift as a hazard. We certainly can't accuse Eric of hypocrisy in that regard.
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Re: Forum Member's Boat and Daughter in Trouble off of Mexico

In this constant examination and reexamination of Eric's every qualification I have to speak up. Everyone has to start somewhere. There has to be the first passage for everyone. That he had things go wrong with his boat and his baby is not necessarily his fault. No I really don't have too much to say about Eric and his family. I still dont know the facts by someone who took the voyage. But I do support them leaving for the first time in an ocean crossing. Anyone should have the opportunity to grow, to do something new. Those that say differently....well...they do keep the thread moving along.
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Looks like his primary beef with that guy was abondoning his vessel and leaving it adrift as a hazard. We certainly can't accuse Eric of hypocrisy in that regard.
As far as we know, Eric didn't have a choice. The Navy did the job, whereas a cargo ship didn't.

We heard that Eric wanted to keep the RH floating. Atoll was going to try to rescue it. (Good man! )
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In fairness to Rebel Heart, he probably does not (should not) have a problem with those critiquing the situation he himself found himself due to the fact he has mocked others in the past for getting into situations and being rescued.
I don't beleive in the mantra 'what comes round goes round' at all - but what I do believe is that when you point the finger at someone, there is four pointing back at you.
Personally I have no problem at all in that he called for help and that he and his family are now safe. But I do have a problem with other posters who jump on others that have a differing opinion to the "group hugz".




As has been said by others many times, this thread is all about "group hugz". That's what's appropriate in the immediate aftermath of tragedy. Perhaps it is now time to open that other thread? I bet Eric will do so himself soon. I have no illusions that he made no mistakes myself, just don't think this is the place to discuss them.
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In this constant examination and reexamination of Eric's every qualification I have to speak up. Everyone has to start somewhere. There has to be the first passage for everyone. That he had things go wrong with his boat and his baby is not necessarily his fault. No I really don't have too much to say about Eric and his family. I still dont know the facts by someone who took the voyage. But I do support them leaving for the first time in an ocean crossing. Anyone should have the opportunity to grow, to do something new. Those that say differently....well...they do keep the thread moving along.
me too!

here is one for the soccer mums my wife and i sailed from bundaberg to darwin,2000 miles when my daughter was just 5 weeks old!,megan was 3 1/2 months when we arrived in darwin! howzat for cruelty to children

mother spent most of the time either breast feeding or feeling sick,baby slept most of the way!,the trip was much more tough on the first time mum than the baby!,but ya gotta start somewhere
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From the rescuers point of view:


"The parents of one-year-old Lyra Kaufman did everything right once they realized the seriousness of the situation, the official said"



Rescuers Got to Sick Baby "Just in Time": Commander | NBC 7 San Diego


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Finally, objective & factual, non-inflammatory reporting. Tip of the hat to the 129 & NBC affiliate.
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me too!

here is one for the soccer mums my wife and i sailed from bundaberg to darwin,2000 miles when my daughter was just 5 weeks old!,megan was 3 1/2 months when we arrived in darwin! howzat for cruelty to children

mother spent most of the time either breast feeding or feeling sick,baby slept most of the way!,the trip was much more tough on the first time mum than the baby!,but ya gotta start somewhere
Breasts and sailing . . .
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Re: Forum Member's Boat and Daughter in Trouble off of Mexico

If you watch the National Guard video, you can watch/hear one of the officers stating that Eric said he would scuttle the Rebel Heart as they all left, after everyone was off.

It's still hearsay, though, till we hear more from those who were there.

Newt's statement about the first ocean passage one makes seems very real to me. I still remember bits of mine, and I went with only a few hours racing on the ocean. It was a true learning experience. You gotta start somewhere.


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I've been on here both longer than you and have more posts and I think Charlie is making a very good point. Does that make me a troll as well?
You should be comparing your # of posts and time as a member with Charlie. That may clarify it for you.
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If you watch the National Guard video, you can watch/hear one of the officers stating that Eric said he would scuttle the Rebel Heart as they all left, after everyone was off.

It's still hearsay, though, till we hear more from those who were there.

Newt's statement about the first ocean passage one makes seems very real to me. I still remember bits of mine, and I went with only a few hours racing on the ocean. It was a true learning experience. You gotta start somewhere.


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Sure you do, whether that's an 3000 ocean mile voyage with small kids is another debate entirely and one that will be interesting to hear from eric. Until then this thread has a lot of noise in it.

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If only the man himself were here to tell us how it all went down.

As he has stated he felt he needed time for the frenzy to blow over before he would share the specifics. Doesn't mean he is not reading the thread now and wouldn't have responses to some comments that have been.

I think that would be hard to sit on the sidelines like that, especially when it's your life story being dissected.
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If only the man himself were here to tell us how it all went down.

As he has stated he felt he needed time for the frenzy to blow over before he would get specific. Doesn't mean he is not reading the thread now and wouldn't have responses to some comments that have been.

I think that would be hard to sit on the sidelines like that, especially when it's your life story being dissected.
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only if i could have borrowed boatguys inflatable armchair

but minarete,kenomac,wotname,mantus anchors,were all there making sure i had a parachute

not forgettin toby on oflo,that could have provided the transport
For future reference, Mantus anchors make terrible parachutes.
Glad Eric and family made it back safely. Nothing else really matters.
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