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Old 06-04-2014, 18:12   #496
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Re: Forum Member's boat and daughter in trouble off of Mexico

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It helps with job hunting when starting over with essentially nothing, as compared, say, to a couple of idiots covered with tatoos with pins in their faces and other places.

They are also bright and articulate IMO. Need that explained too?

Here's one for you Max: What does all that negativity get ya?
Who was being negative? I simply asked for clarification.

I agree with you, it probably is a lot easier to find a job if you're bright, articulate and not covered in piercings.

What you originally said was attractive, which sounds really shallow. I won't bother to respond to your personal jab.
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The only sources getting information from Eric and Charlotte are the National Guard (they are on the boat) and the family (they are personally talking to Eric and Charlotte). When the people on the boat say there is no steering, it does not make a lot of sense to assume they have steering.

I have no idea what condition the boat or steering is in, but I do not think it is reasonable to start criticizing the people who are actually on the boat for not "sailing the boat home" when the only reliable source of information available at this point states the boat is disabled.

I have not seen any reports that the boat lost steering. Instead, I have seen a report that it lost the ability to "steer itself." That, combined with reports that they got the motor running and headed back towards Mexico to rendezvous with the ship, leads me to believe there is steering. What the may have lost is the autopilot, or perhaps there's a problem with the windvane.

I also read an idiot report claiming sailboats cannot steer once they "lose power," and the context seemed to refer to motor power.

Between an ignorant media, unsupportive family members, and a state full of idiotic politicians, I wouldn't be surprised to see cruising outlawed for safety reasons!
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STOP THE MADNESS! Seems we are spiraling into the hate posts that most are all complaining about.

FOCUS. Wait for facts. Offer encouragement. Offer creative ways to help and assist.
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Between an ignorant media, unsupportive family members, and a state full of idiotic politicians, I wouldn't be surprised to see cruising outlawed for safety reasons!
Please don't give the lawmakers any ideas. They seem to have enough silly ones of their own.

Best wishes and positive vibes to the captain and crew of Rebel Heart.
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Who was being negative? I simply asked for clarification.

I agree with you, it probably is a lot easier to find a job if you're bright, articulate and not covered in piercings.

What you originally said was attractive, which sounds really shallow. I won't bother to respond to your personal jab.
Attractive can seem shallow if you assume it only refers to being physically beautiful, but it can also mean other things. Someone with a kind heart, a positive outlook on life reflected in the smile on their face, and who is always eager to take on new challenges and help others is a person I think most would consider attractive no matter what their physical appearance was. Attractiveness is about a lot more than what People magazine would have you believe.
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Re: Forum Member's boat and daughter in trouble off of Mexico

,bad news i'm afraid from erics sister

I landed a couple of hours ago and I have just now finished interviews. I have more in a little bit also BEST NEWS! I talk to Charlotte for a while. Lyra is so much better. Everyone is resting aboard the ship. REBEL HEART HAS BEEN SUNK. They did not have a choice. Charlotte and Eric where able to take three bags off the boat. The are going to be helicoptered in Tuesday Morning. They are asking for a couple of days of rest and then they will make announcement and speak to media. I will be online later to help get things together. Thank you again for all the love and support. Charlotte is truly touched by all the kindness.
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I have not seen any reports that the boat lost steering. Instead, I have seen a report that it lost the ability to "steer itself."
Some of the news reports are repeating that they lost steering. Rebel Heart has a wind vane, but all this speculation is pretty pointless. Eric is a competent mariner, and I doubt would have abandoned his vessel without good reason. The latest news report is that it was sinking when they boarded the navy vessel.

Prayers for their little girl - they can always get a new sailboat.
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Re: Forum Member's boat and daughter in trouble off of Mexico

I just saw this on their facebook site from Sariah.
"I landed a couple of hours ago and I have just now finished interviews. I have more in a little bit also BEST NEWS! I talk to Charlotte for a while. Lyra is so much better. Everyone is resting aboard the ship. REBEL HEART HAS BEEN SUNK. They did not have a choice. Charlotte and Eric where able to take three bags off the boat. The are going to be helicoptered in Tuesday Morning. They are asking for a couple of days of rest and then they will make announcement and speak to media. I will be online later to help get things together. Thank you again for all the love and support. Charlotte is truly touched by all the kindness".
I hope this is not true.
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Re: Forum Member's boat and daughter in trouble off of Mexico

Yup its gone. *sigh.

The family of San Diego couple Charlotte and Eric Kaufman boarded the USS Vandegrift, about 900 miles off the Mexican coast, at about 8 a.m. PDT, Coast Guard Petty Officer 2nd Class Barry Bena told The Post.

After this morning’s rescue, the Kaufman’s ship was scuttled.
“On every attempt to start it, it caused the vessel to take on more water,” Bena said. “If it was left out there, it’d be a hazard.”


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Re: Forum Member's boat and daughter in trouble off of Mexico

Here's the whole press release: Eric and Charlotte Kaufman have issued the following statement from aboard the US Navy Oliver Hazard Perry class Frigate USS Vandegrift (FFG 48):

"First, we would like to express how grateful we are to the men and women of the Coast Guard, California Air National Guard and Navy who rescued our family, especially the pararescuemen and crew of USS Vandegrift. We are very thankful to be safe and well. We also appreciate all the concern, thoughts and prayers of everyone back home for the health of our daughter Lyra. She is doing well now, and her medical condition continues to improve.

"We understand there are those who question our decision to sail with our family, but please know that this is how our family has lived for seven years, and when we departed on this journey more than a year ago, we were then and remain today confident that we prepared as well as any sailing crew could. The ocean is one of the greatest forces of nature, and it always has the potential to overcome those who live on or near it. We are proud of our choices and our preparation, and while we are disappointed that we lost our sailboat and our home, we remain grateful for those who came to our aid and those family and friends who continue to encourage and support us.

"Thank you."

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,bad news i'm afraid from erics sister

I landed a couple of hours ago and I have just now finished interviews. I have more in a little bit also BEST NEWS! I talk to Charlotte for a while. Lyra is so much better. Everyone is resting aboard the ship. REBEL HEART HAS BEEN SUNK. They did not have a choice. Charlotte and Eric where able to take three bags off the boat. The are going to be helicoptered in Tuesday Morning. They are asking for a couple of days of rest and then they will make announcement and speak to media. I will be online later to help get things together. Thank you again for all the love and support. Charlotte is truly touched by all the kindness.
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So unbelievably sad. I am so so sorry that they are going through this.
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Good news to hear the family is safe, and the child is recovering. As to the sinking of the vessel, I quote the 2 rules:
#1 Don't sweat the small stuff.
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Charlotte from Rebel Heart contacted her sister, Sariah and stated that RH was scuttled by the Navy due to a leak on the boat which made it a navigational hazard. Family are all fine including Lyra. Steaming toward San Diego.
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What a shame to have it go down. Having lost a house due to fire and many memmories last month I feel for the loss of shelter and comfort.

Best hopes and wishes for whatever direction Eric and Charlotte choose.
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Re all the negative talk. Its a democracy! Free speech et al.

No use trying to shut people up.
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