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Old 04-11-2013, 09:17   #1
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Flares no Longer Needed?

Is it time to change the rules? The RYA certainly think so...

RYA pressing for change in carriage requirement for flares | News | News & Events | RYA

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Re: Flares no longer needed?

Last I checked that "technology" can fail and batteries can die. Flares are pretty reliable......this kind of goes back to the paper vs electronic charts arguments. just change charts with flares and you have all of your answers.
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Re: Flares no longer needed?

Absurd.

Might as well get rid of the whistles too because I have a cool bluetooth speaker that's pretty loud.

Think of all that valuable space you'll save from those extremely expensive flares.
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Last I checked that "technology" can fail and batteries can die. Flares are pretty reliable......
Well if they are so reliable why do I have to buy new ones every few years? Seems like with LED spotlights and the like, a few Roman Candles are rather irrelevant.
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Well if they are so reliable why do I have to buy new ones every few years? Seems like with LED spotlights and the like, a few Roman Candles are rather irrelevant.
You have to buy new batteries every few years for your LED spotlight. And you can subject flares to way more abuse than electronics. Seriously, this is to save $20 every few years and storage the size of a toilet paper roll?
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Re: Flares no longer needed?

I don't intend to replace my flares when they expire. I think there are better ways to spend your safety dollar these days.

PLB's and personal AIS transponders are just a couple of examples.
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I don't intend to replace my flares when they expire. I think there are better ways to spend your safety dollar these days.

PLB's and personal AIS transponders are just a couple of examples.
I just can't imagine anyone sitting in a liferaft saying, "Well, sure am glad I got rid of those stupid flares."
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Re: Flares no longer needed?

The SOLAS flares required by the ocean racing rules are quite expensive (the full set I need for the Hawaii races costs $419), and do need to be replaced every three years.

That said, these SOLAS flares are significantly better than the cheaper non-SOLAs ones, and I'm glad I have them.
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I just can't imagine anyone sitting in a liferaft saying, "Well, sure am glad I got rid of those stupid flares."
True, but I would rather have a PLB and/or a personal AIS transponder. As these are small (and safe enough) to attach to my life jacket I am also more likely to have them with me if I abandoned ship.

Very few of us can afford every bit of safety equipment, so we need to assign priorities. Flares are well down the list in my view.
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Seems like the mandatory flare law could be amended to allow for other devices to be carried to meet the intent. Then we each could choose what we would carry.
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Re: Flares no longer needed?

Since this is about flares, the only kind of ever fired are the white ones which are sadly hard to come by (but you can get them from orion). In the pre-ais days I used them once to show a container ship where I was. In big waves it really helps to get a light up and over everything.

Aerial flares, skyblazer flares and other aerial signals and signaling products from Orion Safety.

Regarding red ones, it really does blow me away that we're talking about saving a minuscule amount of money (by any standard other than a third world goat herding nomad) and freeing up a minuscule amount of space.
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Yeah the RYA can say whatever it wants but I'm going NOWHERE without flares. pete
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Seems like the mandatory flare law could be amended to allow for other devices to be carried to meet the intent. Then we each could choose what we would carry.
Perhaps all countries could follow the UK lead and let people decide for themselves
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I just can't imagine anyone sitting in a liferaft saying, "Well, sure am glad I got rid of those stupid flares."


Why is it so hard to own both? I'm not saying technology is bad or that I don't want it but if I had to choose one over the other it would be the proven non-temper-mental minimal way every time.

I like carburetors over efi,
I like paper charts over electronic,
I like developed pictures over digital,
I like bolt actions over semi auto....

that being said I enjoy and like having efi, gps, digital pics and semi autos but when it comes to things not failing or that I can fix easily I vote simpler is better.

don't throw away the baby with the bath water. Have technology but keep the basics around!
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Perhaps all countries could follow the UK lead and let people decide for themselves
The world is full of HotRods and Flyin' Hawaiins: gotta lay out the rules.
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