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Old 19-02-2013, 06:22   #31
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Well i didnt mean to stirr up a hornets nest...there seems to be a lot of confussion on this...as far as I am concerned all i was wanting was what the requirement was...I do know there is a paper floating around up here put out by BoatUS i think explaining this fee/reg thing and if can get ahold of it i will see what it says...as for bording by LE/CG/FW or even Homeland Security i dont have a problem with. Hey I spend 2 1/2 years in then Hanio Hilton u have no clue what hassel is....
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No hornets nest. It just seemed to me that you were getting caught up in all the tricky ways to try to avoid registering your boat in Florida. A lot of people seem to and, personally, I don't understand it. Maybe I was mistaken. I have been on occasion.

Here is the official Florida state website with all the information you need...
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Purely out of curiousity - what about foreign boats? If I crossed the Atlantic from the UK would I need all these stickers or does flying the Red Ensign except me from them?
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I'll be making a permanent boat move from NC to FL in the fall. My boat is a '71, so 40+ yrs old. I'm thinking it's a low cost fee due to boat age. Correct?
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For a 30' sailboat we are talking about $85 per year for Florida state registration. I honestly mean no offense, but if that is so much money that you would jump through hoops to try to avoid paying it, then how can you even afford to own a boat!?! I mean, you probably spend more than that for one fill-up of diesel. You probably spend more than that going out to dinner a couple of times a month.

I really don't mean to pick on you, Hank. You're just the latest among thread after thread that we get here from people who seem absolutely desperate to find a way to avoid registering their boat with the state of Florida. Yet, up to 40' it's only $85 per year. Even if you register it in a county that adds on a county fee, it is still going to be less than $150 per year. What is the big deal? I do not get it.
I think the big deal to many people is that it seems to be a violation of federal law. Nobody feeling like fighting it is not the same thing as it being right or legal.

And, it's not just the principal of the thing. Can imagine the hassle in trying to cross state lines if every state decided to do something similiar?

But, it's going to get worse. Every state government is running out of money and they are going to start getting more and more creative in trying to find more of it. I'll try and avoid it as much as possible, whether the people who feel like they benefit from taking it from me like it or not.
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I'll be making a permanent boat move from NC to FL in the fall. My boat is a '71, so 40+ yrs old. I'm thinking it's a low cost fee due to boat age. Correct?
A friend stated that anything over 30 years old gets a special registration, $5/yr. IIRC.
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Purely out of curiousity - what about foreign boats? If I crossed the Atlantic from the UK would I need all these stickers or does flying the Red Ensign except me from them?
Go for the CBP cruising license, it exempts you from FL registration.
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Cool Beans. Thanks. And as above, even at $85 it's alright as I won't be paying NC fees any longer for the boat at least.

Took a lot longer than I thought to get this almost free boat back together.
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Go for the CBP cruising license, it exempts you from FL registration.
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I think the big deal to many people is that it seems to be a violation of federal law. Nobody feeling like fighting it is not the same thing as it being right or legal.

And, it's not just the principal of the thing. Can imagine the hassle in trying to cross state lines if every state decided to do something similiar?

But, it's going to get worse. Every state government is running out of money and they are going to start getting more and more creative in trying to find more of it. I'll try and avoid it as much as possible, whether the people who feel like they benefit from taking it from me like it or not.
So you come to Florida by car/motorhome/airplane you start paying your fair share of infrastructure (police, fire, ambulance) costs immediately via condo/home property taxes, rent, hotel, etc.

You come by boat, Florida gives you the first 90 days gratis (max ~$200/yr.) and you complain.

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I'll be making a permanent boat move from NC to FL in the fall. My boat is a '71, so 40+ yrs old. I'm thinking it's a low cost fee due to boat age. Correct?
Correct. I pay less than $6 per year for my 35 year old vessel. The reduction is not automatic though. You have to apply to register as an antique vessel. Very little hassle, except that most of the tax offices don't seem to know how to do it. The form and instructions are available online. If you have trouble, PM me when you get here and I'll help you through the process.

Oh, and Hank, welcome to CF and eventually FL . . . the welcome mat is actually out. And thank you for your service.
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So you come to Florida by car/motorhome/airplane you start paying your fair share of infrastructure (police, fire, ambulance) costs immediately via condo/home property taxes, rent, hotel, etc.

You come by boat, Florida gives you the first 90 days gratis (max ~$200/yr.) and you complain.

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Look don't try and snowjob me. I used to live in Florida. Florida residents like trying to make visitors, who can't vote, pay for a lot of the stuff the people who live there full time should be paying for.
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You come by boat, Florida gives you the first 90 days gratis (max ~$200/yr.) and you complain.
The problem is that Florida does not extend that 90-day reciprocity to those boats that arrive without a state registration and just a CG documentation. Those states not requiring documented boats to also be state registered include Maine, Mass., North Carolina, and South Carolina on the East Coast. However, all these other states would extend their 90-day reciprocity to a boat arriving from another state, including Florida boats, whether it is state registered or documented or both.
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The problem is that Florida does not extend that 90-day reciprocity to those boats that arrive without a state registration and just a CG documentation. Those states not requiring documented boats to also be state registered include Maine, Mass., North Carolina, and South Carolina on the East Coast. However, all these other states would extend their 90-day reciprocity to a boat arriving from another state, including Florida boats, whether it is state registered or documented or both.
I've read that and IMO, FWC is misinterpreting the law. But, it's takes someone to challenge it in court to fix the problem (or the law as I don't believe that was the intent).

Per the DMV website at:
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It doesn't say only from states that have a registration system for USCG documented boats.

IMO, If you can prove you are a non-resident and you've been here less than 90 days (via marina slip receipts from another state), that should be good enough.

Are there any known cases where fines were assessed? (I know names of lawyers who love to take gov't entities to court!)

Of course, the whole proposition of guilty until proven innocent still grinds my butt!
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As I've said elsewhere when this same topic keeps coming up, Florida's rule about boat registration is actually about the same rule that perhaps EVERY state has for ALL MOTOR VEHICLES. It is not just a boat rule, it is a motor vehicle rule for boats with engines.

Take your car to a different state for 90 days, and you may be required to re-register the car there and explain that to your insurer as well.

Florida is bizarrely generous in that they don't require boats to change from their original state registration, they provide for a secondary FL registration, so you pay the extra fee, stick an extra paper in your wallet, and don't have to change back again $$ when you leave.

As to the larger question "flordia is not very boat friendly and they the welcome mat is never out...Why is that "

Well, I suspect that's because these damned Yankees and Northern Middle Class Liberals and Canadians and MidWesterners, all these tourists and sojourners, have been ruining Florida for the locals.

The locals are mainly broke, living in cheap housing with no public transportation and low tazex, and kept that way by the Rich, who own all that waterfront property which is so heavily air conditioned now. Lots of poor labor helps keep the rich living in style. There's no middle class to disrupt things. The Rich like it, they tend to run things. The poor? No one asks them, they're poor.

And then along come the damned Yankees, expecting paved streets, libraries, schools, all these things that cost money, damnit. Now they start asking for higher taxes, asking for taxes, imagine that! and they drive up the rents by buying up all the swamp, ergh, condo lots. Which is great for builders but then, the po' folks can't compete with the new higher rates, and that means the rich folks got to pay more money or, damn, hire illegals instead...

You see? Having sojourners, tourists, masses of snowbirds, it screws up the entire economy and messes with the way of life enjoyed by the ruling class. Hell, they even voted to spend money on highway guardrails (40 years after America did) and the number of drownings on the turnpike went down. But that costs money, look at where taxes have gone!

Florida is an odd state. It comes frm Spain, not England. And until the advent of air conditioning, it was swamp and wasteland to a large degree. So, there's a lot of convention and tradition that's just DIFFERENT down there.

Tourists? Oh sure, that's nice, but what's the sense in putting up with that clutter unless you can also skin and eat a few?

It really does make sense, from their point of view.
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