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04-07-2016, 06:07
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Location: Panama / Bahamas / Newport RI / Marathon Fl (now mostly)
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Re: Father and his kids missing at sea
If I remember... EPIRBs were designed for blue water/trans-ocean usage hence the satellite connection.... VHF was fine for coastal use.
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04-07-2016, 13:44
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#467
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Avalon, NJ
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Re: Father and his kids missing at sea
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Originally Posted by sailingfarmer
Rustic...at best and I am sure you know... an EPIRB only lasts 24 to 48 hours with fully charged batteries. In the case of coastal cruising... A VHF can las just as long while not continuously transmitting if not much longer.... a VHF contact has to be within 20 miles maximum when contacted. even at 5 kts. that's a few hours to the rescue...remember a VHS with AIS when it comes to location... Next time you go coastal cruising I suggest you grab your VHF handheld first THEN your EPIRB... just my simple thought on priorities.
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It lasts that long in the arctic....
I found one a week after initial activation and when we pulled it up...the battery was dangling from the wires as the bottom had been knocked off at some point.
Took a week to find it because it was the old style without GPS and the antenna had been broken too, thus not easy to home in on.
After 20 years of SAR, neither can really be called better. They compliment each other. Different tools for different ways to the same end.
If I had the choice of one or the other, EPIRB/PLB every time hands down.
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06-07-2016, 14:19
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#468
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Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: West wales
Boat: Vivacity 24
Posts: 65
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Re: Father and his kids missing at sea
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Originally Posted by navysurfer
So Sad, A few months ago they were lowering the mast on the boat, i went over to help, nice dad, the kids were great.
Water is very warm, still hope.
I grew up here in Sarasota, the gulf is deceiving it does get ruff quick and its the slop chop as we call it that pounds the boat.
Prayers are with the family,
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Also use to boat in those waters, and true the gulf gets a slop chop. In 1998 me, my father, and 3 other crew went out on a fishing tournament, I would say it was 7 foot seas in 7 sec period. going back north we were surfing the whole time, not fun. But our 24 ft aquasport didn't get a drop of water in it. Im curious to what type of boat they were sailing?
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06-07-2016, 15:03
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Re: Father and his kids missing at sea
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Originally Posted by gulfbreez
.............we were surfing the whole time, not fun. But our 24 ft aquasport didn't get a drop of water in it.
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Following seas in a powerboat are typically dry. Had you been pounding into a head sea it would have been a completely different and very, very wet story.
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06-07-2016, 19:56
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Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Grand Rivers, KY
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Re: Father and his kids missing at sea
This is what a prepared boat has and the entire event was professionally handled on both sides. They had cell phone, and PLB. Didn't see a hand held VHF, but they may have had one that was not visible. What a shame the family didn't have the same assets. Also, the weather wasn't anywhere near as severe as the family encountered, but even had the weather been 6 foot waves with 30 knots of wind these guys had a much better chance of survival.
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07-07-2016, 09:08
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Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Tampa Bay
Boat: Gemini 105Mc
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Re: Father and his kids missing at sea
That video is pretty powerful evidence of the value of this $200-300.00 device............
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07-07-2016, 14:39
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#473
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Tasmania, Australia
Boat: Bieroc 36 foot Ketch
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Re: Father and his kids missing at sea
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Originally Posted by Davy J
That video is pretty powerful evidence of the value of this $200-300.00 device............
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Yep  and so do the stats. Over 20 000 people saved (up to 2009) since the Copsas-Sarsat system installed.
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07-07-2016, 14:46
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Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Crewing All of 2018 Available Globally
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Re: Father and his kids missing at sea
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Originally Posted by Rustic Charm
Yep  and so do the stats. Over 20 000 people saved (up to 2009) since the Copsas-Sarsat system installed.
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The ACR video I saw recently said 30,000 lives saved. Easy to imagine a big increase as the prices have fallen, PLBs have become popular, and the awareness of the rescues has been made more popipular via social media etc.
Either way, that is a lot of lives saved.
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07-07-2016, 14:52
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Re: Father and his kids missing at sea
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Originally Posted by Steady Hand
The ACR video I saw recently said 30,000 lives saved. Easy to imagine a big increase as the prices have fallen, PLBs have become popular, and the awareness of the rescues has been made more popipular via social media etc.
Either way, that is a lot of lives saved.
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Those numbers would suggest that prior to having these systems we were loosing 30,000 people....? Thats a very large number
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07-07-2016, 14:55
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Tasmania, Australia
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Re: Father and his kids missing at sea
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Originally Posted by Steady Hand
The ACR video I saw recently said 30,000 lives saved. Easy to imagine a big increase as the prices have fallen, PLBs have become popular, and the awareness of the rescues has been made more popipular via social media etc.
Either way, that is a lot of lives saved.
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 Yeah, I initially typed 30 000 as that's what I thought I'd read, but then couldn't find the link if it was challenged, so went with the 2009 stats.
either way, it's a lot of souls.
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07-07-2016, 14:56
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Tasmania, Australia
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Re: Father and his kids missing at sea
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Originally Posted by robert sailor
Those numbers would suggest that prior to having these systems we were loosing 30,000 people....? Thats a very large number
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No, what it means is that there were a lot of 'incidents'.
A lot of those people would have been rescued by other means in the past.
But, regardless, it's a lot of people rescued by the system which proves it's worth.
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07-07-2016, 14:59
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Re: Father and his kids missing at sea
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Originally Posted by Rustic Charm
No, what it means is that there were a lot of 'incidents'.
A lot of those people would have been rescued by other means in the past.
But, regardless, it's a lot of people rescued by the system which proves it's worth. 
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Thanks RC, I knew that  everyone likes to embellish the numbers unbelievable as they are but I'm all in favor of of the worlds best marine safety system.
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07-07-2016, 15:13
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#479
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Tasmania, Australia
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Re: Father and his kids missing at sea
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Originally Posted by robert sailor
Thanks RC, I knew that  everyone likes to embellish the numbers unbelievable as they are but I'm all in favor of of the worlds best marine safety system.
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07-07-2016, 15:49
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Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Cruising the Gulf of Mexico.
Boat: 1980 Morgan 415
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Re: Father and his kids missing at sea
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Originally Posted by robert sailor
Thanks RC, I knew that  everyone likes to embellish the numbers unbelievable as they are but I'm all in favor of of the worlds best marine safety system.
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While the EPIRB is without doubt, a valuable tool, following a proactive pm program is more valuable.
Add that to patience, prudence and energy being above the last resort of the EPIRB on the safety scale.
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