Originally Posted by GoingWalkabout
...And it could have been murder suicide by boat wreck...
... It is an old saying and one worth restating. Never speak ill of the dead...
Well, for not speaking ill of the dead, that's quite an idea to put out there without any evidence against people you don't know.
FACTS WE KNOW:
(a) Father had three teenage kids
(b) He had successfully raised them into happy, healthy teenagers
(c) He had done this for at least 9 years SOLO.
(e) NO ONE ELSE was on the boat with them
(f) He DID have a phone
, and called out
We don't know (but speculate)
-IF he was aware of the brewing conditions OR NOT
-That he did NOT have a better radio
-That he did NOT try and get help sooner or via VHF
-How bad or the condition of the boat and repairs
Let’s add some details...
(1) The weather
got NASTY quick in a place not uncommon
We can speculate on the father's state of mind, and his choices with going sailing in a volatile place without better gear
, especially with kids
and with his REPORTED experience. But that the weather
got bad is verifiable by outside sources. In a boat with possible issues, that could have been a big contributor. HOWEVER even in a sound, capable boat, it STILL could have been THE ONLY issue.
(2) The BROTHER trusted the dad enough to NOT make a distress
The brother's "inaction" indicates a few things: perhaps he also trusted the father knew what we was doing, so wasn't too worried. However, maybe the brother didn’t really care, or knows nothing about sailing or simply didn’t know how bad it was:, we don’t know except he didn't call for help.
(3) The BROTHER was on LAND somewhere else VIA a PHONE
It’s a FACT that he was NOT on the boat. Maybe we can wait for more info before we DECIDE he was an idiot (same about the dad's)?
(4) Dad RAISED 3 HAPPY, HEALTHY KIDS for NINE YEARS SOLO
That's a fact presented by the biological mother herself. Any comment?(-and we want to question or judge his commitment to his kids???) HISTORY
SHOWS: He had been successfully raising...THREE healthy, HAPPY kids on his own. That indicates to me he was committed, competent, capable, and CARED DEEPLY and was doing his best.
(5) The girl was FOUND in her PFD
I think if it was anything other than an accident
the father would have stashed/hidden or left the life vests no where near the boat.
We HEAR he was not rich: he lived on a boat. He had THREE teenagers. We do NOT know how much of a reach it might have been FOR HIM to get a few more safety
-like an EPIRB
Maybe he got a used one and didn't set it up right before he left. We don't know. Maybe he just did, and they haven't released that info because the battery
was shot- or it got washed overboard
, or they got hit by lightening (anyone sound off on what conditions were like for that, that day?). Maybe everything went wrong all at once and someone went over the side.
We also do NOT know if he was aware of the weather coming on.
Being that he has been found dead, we can only speculate. it will be known soon if he was drinking or not and then that can be ruled out, if it hasn't already.
Guessing from the evidence presented so FAR,
OUTSIDE OF THE EPIRB
...and calling for help sooner (if they could) he probably DID NOT make an irresponsible choice about going where he did.
There’s people who have sounded off on here from that area and they were surprised a bit by the weather, but also to an extent the area is known to be volatile. Does this stop people from going sailing or cruising? No. And we don’t call them idiots for being sailors or cruisers, right?
DID HE REALLY NOT KNOW? HOW DO WE KNOW HE DID NOT? HOW DO WE KNOW HE DIDN'T MAKE THE BEST CHOICE HE COULD IN THE SITUATION that came up worse than anticipated! Maybe they had an accident
, or a series of them.
(a) The boat was needing repairs
. What exactly we do NOT know, HOWEVER....
(b) Judging from the HISTORY
and FACTS above, father was not a negligent, inexperienced, unconcerned, uncaring, uncommitted OR ignorant parent OR sailor.
(c) Father’s choices INDICATE he was at LEAST slightly alternative and independent (qualities not uncommon for the cruising and sailing crowd, I’ll remind you- and often lauded).
Now without further evidence,
the FACTS indicate
(a) this WAS NOT intentional -he was a committed, dedicated, successful father and single
parent -no indication otherwise
(2) this was NOT planned -Life jackets were on board, the daughter was found in her PFD
(3) this was NOT foreseen at all -we don’t know if he was aware of the weather OR is the issues with the boat would have mattered. Considering all the above, and despite what we can deduce from presumption and speculation around things that make us upset now that there’s been a tragedy it is unlikely he made an irresponsible choice.
...Especially if it winds up he WAS an excellent sailor as reported by people who knew him, and his own brother -who apparently trusted his skills (or simply knows nothing about sailing).
As the carefully considering people have pointed out, a MOB
would have thrown things into a quickly serious state.
PLEASE Check THIS INFORMATION OUT:
-->>Is it safe to use a tether? - Practical Boat Owner
-->>Viewpoint: Should Lifejackets be Mandatory on Sailboats? - Sail Magazine
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Now I agree, from what it seems now, there's some things -small, possibly simple, not that difficult things, he might have done. (EPIRB)
But we ALSO do not KNOW that he did not do most of them.
Daughter or Dad goes over board, all three try and turn the boat and get the MOB
, failing electrical/radios/gear (he DID use a cell phone
, why not call using the VHF
? Why NOT call the coasties vs. your not-there-brother?)
I appreciate the factual evidence by experienced sailors and people who live and cruise
and sail in those areas.
And there's no WAY to prepare for everything, EVER. They might just have had an accident that snowballed.
I think the tragedy is an argument for making sure you have a functional EPIRB if you are in places where they are of use, and that it is mounted in a place where it can do it's job, and that you have registered it and verified it's function and use and everyone on board knows how to use/deploy it. HAVE a safety
plan, if you can... especially if you are responsible for others.
That's it for me. I've read enough negativity from people who were not there, are not in the area, for sure don't know anyone involved, paying no attention to details (hope I have) and just armchair QB'ing with NO factual basis most of it!
I'll wait for the rest of the story from the investigators and USCG.
Maybe those boys will be clinging to a cooler still...