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Old 24-08-2015, 18:45   #151
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Re: Dumping empty fuel barrels in the ocean

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It could be worse.

At least it wasn't heavy oil.

Diesel evaporates readily and I have been told US warplanes routinely dump JP5 (kerosene - it's in the purple colored pipes on carriers ). If this is untrue I stand ready to be corrected.

I, for one, consider dumping empty 55 gallon drums at sea in thousands of feet of water preferable to trying to dispose of them on land. They will disappear in short order. Better yet, preferable to turn them into a steel pan instrument. But steps should be taken to allow any residual diesel to evaporate and to make sure the drums sink, i.e., cut the drums in half with a grinder before disposing. They'll make a nice fish condo until they rust away.

That said, even carrying 55 gallon drums of diesel on board is bad form and if a mega sailing yacht cannot cross an ocean without that reserve it's contrary to all cruising customs and mores I respect. I think they need to do some sailing and turn off all their needless electrical goodies including AC, satellite TVs, etc., etc., and underwater lights.....

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It is odd to carry that on deck. We ship 380 gallons in 5 tanks. That drum would only be a hiccup and an inconvenient space taker-upper. Steel drum, even with a small heal of oil, on the bottom, pales in comparison to a sunken ship or the garbage dumped by NYC or even the krud coming down the Mississippi. Drums do have value in some places. I like dumping it at the pan yard in Trini.

I noticed the video has been taken down. This may have been shot years ago when such stuff was less frowned upon.
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Re: Dumping empty fuel barrels in the ocean

One of the ironies of all this - presuming the boat returned to the Med for the summer season - is that they likely wound up having to scout around Antigua, or wherever, for another pair of drums for the return trip... Had they kept them aboard, surely someone at a place like the yard in Jolly Harbour would have been happy to have them, or they could have stored them in some corner of the yard until the spring...

My hunch is still that had there not been cameras aboard ONGHIARA, or a video being shot with the intent of documenting a Superyacht Passage, those drums would have remained aboard for the duration... But they were unsightly, too large to be hidden from view, and were simply spoiling the shots...

As a photographer, I know how that goes, sometimes...

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Old 26-08-2015, 15:18   #153
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Re: Dumping empty fuel barrels in the ocean

While in the Corps, we caught a ride on the USS Kearsarge over to our desert vacation.
It always blew my mind that all the scrap metal in the trash was sifted out.... Smashed into boxes and thrown overboard. That's 4,000+ peoples trash we are talking about.....
Not just 1 barrel. I'm guessing this is normal for large naval ships ?
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My hunch is still that had there not been cameras aboard ONGHIARA, or a video being shot with the intent of documenting a Superyacht Passage, those drums would have remained aboard for the duration... But they were unsightly, too large to be hidden from view, and were simply spoiling the shots...
Or, post theft, no better place to deep six before land ho than mid stream.
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Maybe when these guys are done in the Pacific, they'd be willing to help out the Atlantic side? WORLD’S FIRST OCEAN CLEANING SYSTEM TO BE DEPLOYED IN 2016: The Ocean Cleanup, developing technologies to extract, prevent and intercept plastic pollution

A pretty nice write up by a friend of mine - trash | Sailing Anarchy

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I noticed the video has been taken down. This may have been shot years ago when such stuff was less frowned upon.
With a wide angle HD camera? (most likely a go pro)

Doubt it.
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Re: Dumping empty fuel barrels in the ocean

The amount of oil dumped by Tankers off shore both inside and outside coastal boundaries is staggering, I wouldn't get too excited over a few drops when you put it in perspective however, legal or not it does come down to your own personal ethics, me no way. Just like hiking, hunting or any other excursion in nature, if you can pack it in on your back full, you can certainly pack it out empty!!
I do certainly see dumping if there were an emergency or safety circumstances that might warrant doing so, maybe there was more to the story we do not know, upcoming storm maybe?
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So long as there is enough to cause a shean on the water it is a violation of the Federal Water Polution Act and requires the captain to report the spill as well as face a maximum civil fine of $125,000. Failure to report such an incident is a criminal act and carries a 5 year maximum sentence.
A most impractical law. A teaspoon of oil will cause a sheen on water. If everyone reported such and the Coastguard had to fill out a form on a piece of paper (most likely in triplicate) this would cause more damage to the enviornment then most spills. Would be more practical to supply (diesel diapers capable of cleaning spills on water of less then a quart.
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