Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 31-08-2009, 09:22   #61
Registered User
 
Fishman_Tx's Avatar

Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Beeville, Tx.
Boat: 1969 Morgan 40 Cruising Ketch "Lady Catherine II", 1973 Bristol 34 - "Our Baby"(RIP), Catalina 22
Posts: 876
Images: 12
"Treading water is easier when not standing on your head holding the anchor."
Paul, that's classic! LMAO!
__________________

__________________
Fish
"Behind every great man there is a woman, rolling her eyes."
But not for long! Now she's gone!
and peace and tranquility reign forever!
1969 Morgan 40 Cruising Ketch
Fishman_Tx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2009, 12:59   #62
Registered User
 
Kefaa's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Eastern PA
Boat: Island Packet 31 (35'), Black Squirrel
Posts: 239
Time again for a survey...

I wanted to pass along the current status of the quest. We have seen many more boats, Tayana, Sabre, Ericson, Pearson and IP. We are down to two. One was our first choice until a nicer one came on the market. Knowing not to fall in love, I am currently double dating.

On 10/23 we go for the survey on an IP 31 in the upper Chesapeake. From the upgrades done this year and the immaculate condition she looks promising. Having been left at the alter before we are curtailing the excitement until we get through the three surveys.

Even with the boat show in Annapolis we have managed to get a rigging survey scheduled this week and the boat and engine the following week.
__________________

__________________

Kefaa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-10-2009, 15:36   #63
Registered User
 
Kefaa's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Eastern PA
Boat: Island Packet 31 (35'), Black Squirrel
Posts: 239
Update - IP31

We did the survey - engine specialist and surveyor.
Surveyor found:
- aluminum holding tank, and lines in/out need replacing.
- rudder delamination. Major port side - needs restoration for safety.
- minor blistering (6-10 on bottom)
- drain hoses in lockers and cockpit need replacing.
Engine specialist
- original 1988 hoses throughout, need replacement and restructuring to add siphon value and loop.
- fuel filter system replaced with non-appoved USCG system (plastic in enclosed space), upside down. (Easy filter change?)
- Leaking hatch above engine caused rusting on several components.
- Replaced starter with non-Yanmar switches - takes two or three tries to engage engine for start

No one found a show stopper - except money. Now it is up to the owner to decide what the $4000-$6000 in findings will be adjusted.
__________________

Kefaa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 25-10-2009, 16:20   #64
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,156
I'm surprised Island Packet used aluminum for the holding tank. If you buy the boat, I would replace it with a plastic one from Ronco plastics or someone like that. Probably around $200 plus shipping and installation, assuming it's not in a difficult position, and you can find a standard size that will fit.

Sounds like the owner liked short cuts.... kind of penny wise and pound foolish on such a quality boat. But evidently the negative impacts were minimal.

Even though the blistering is minor, a barrier coat would be a great idea if you buy the boat.
__________________
speedoo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-10-2009, 12:55   #65
Registered User
 
Kefaa's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Eastern PA
Boat: Island Packet 31 (35'), Black Squirrel
Posts: 239
Closing

Update - it appears another boat is in the future (about 10 days). The contracts are signed it now the official transfer of ownership documents that need to be finished out.

We came to terms on the outstanding issues from the survey. Given the sails (09), head(07), rigging(04), batteries(09), etc. and the engine tested well, we are getting ready for the next step. (ownership again)

I have two estimates on a rudder rebuild ($1500/$2000+ haul out) and there is a list of items to resolve from the survey (as always) which looks around another $2,500 if I do nothing myself.

Now I am off to do all the things that have no sailing value but must be done (insurance, marina, work to purchase more boat units,...)
__________________

Kefaa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-10-2009, 15:43   #66
Senior Cruiser
 
osirissail's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: A real life Zombie from FL
Boat: Gulfstar 53 - Osiris
Posts: 5,416
Images: 2
There used to be an outfit called Foss Foam in the areas between St Pete and Tampa. They had molds for about 100 different sailboat and made replacement rudders at reasonable costs. They custom made one for me 15 years ago and it is still in great shape. You might have to do some research to find them.
__________________
osirissail is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-10-2009, 17:36   #67
Registered User
 
Kefaa's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Eastern PA
Boat: Island Packet 31 (35'), Black Squirrel
Posts: 239
Thank you. I did send them an email and they have asked for the dimension of the rudder and will get me a price. (IP31 is not in their inventory)
__________________

Kefaa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-10-2009, 21:30   #68
Registered User
 
First Mate's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Puget Sound, WA
Boat: Far From Turtle: 1980 Pearson 424 cutter rigged ketch
Posts: 326
did anyone check the house and starter batteries in the survey and make sure they're aok?

someone should put a tester on them to make sure they hold more than a temporary charge

congrats on purchasing - sounds like you suffered for a while.
__________________
First Mate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-10-2009, 02:04   #69
Registered User

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Home port is San Diego, California but currently cruising the East Coast of the USA.
Boat: Contest 48
Posts: 638
Images: 1
Just a couple of anecdotes regarding my experiences in buying boats:

We mostly looked at boats priced well outside of our budget. The last boat we bought was priced almost 30% over our budget. However, that didn't stop us from offering what we could afford and the seller accepted. What we offered in addition was to accept the boat as is, pending a satisfactory survey and sea trial. The surveyor's list was long but mostly minor details and wound up costing us about 10% additional. Still, we got a fantastic boat at a price we could live with.

What I felt was even more important, though, was the fact that once we saw Rutea, we knew that was the boat for us. I think this type of experience has happened to many boat buyers, that is, many of us have seen a boat and said, "This is the boat I/we want." My wife was delighted when she first saw Rutea not so much that she loved the boat (she did) but more because she knew our search was over.

By the way, Conyplex Contest Yachts | Home still builds their boats with a foam core below the waterline. I would have no qualms about sailing Rutea in any sea in the world.

Good luck. Fair winds and calm seas.
__________________
nhschneider is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-10-2009, 06:16   #70
Registered User
 
Kefaa's Avatar

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Eastern PA
Boat: Island Packet 31 (35'), Black Squirrel
Posts: 239
First Mate, the batteries were checked as part of the survey. All three checked good. All were replaced in 2009.
__________________

Kefaa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2009, 07:59   #71
Registered User
 
First Mate's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Puget Sound, WA
Boat: Far From Turtle: 1980 Pearson 424 cutter rigged ketch
Posts: 326
good deal

well - good deal. I hope there were no "pigs in a poke" in that boat that the survey couldn't reveal. fair winds and following seas to you on your new purchase - have fun out there!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kefaa View Post
First Mate, the batteries were checked as part of the survey. All three checked good. All were replaced in 2009.
__________________
First Mate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-11-2009, 10:07   #72
Senior Cruiser
 
rebel heart's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 6,190
Images: 3
Just get a Hans Christian with a lot of teak. Not only will you have a great boat, but you'll save money by losing all your other hobbies since you'll be doing 20 hours/week to keep her in shape. :-)


And it took us a couple of months once we started looking. We had six years (down to three now) before we had to leave, so structural integrity was more important than a ready-to-go vessel. The price was very important as well, because we only want to leave when the boat and all of our other debts are paid in full. We have time on our side, and would rather have $50K more in a bank account than $50K more boat.
__________________
rebel heart is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31-12-2009, 16:04   #73
Registered User

Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Oakville
Boat: Nonsuch 30U #342 Tim Cat
Posts: 62
Eric/Charlotte:
I checked out your blog and can say that it looks as if you installed a Lavac head.
Tried that myself but seemed my boat did not have room for the pump.
Also did the brightwork thing last spring and should be easier next year. Glad to see you are investing in tools as your boat is gonna need them with all the wood.
Why did they stick with a wood mast is way beyond me...
Anywho...keep the dream alive.
Later
Jim
__________________
jjones1349 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-02-2010, 04:34   #74
Registered User

Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Seabrook, Tx
Boat: 1978 Choy Lee 32'
Posts: 12
Just remember that every one has a different way of thinking. My husband and I started looking 6 months before we could financially afford a boat. We found the one we wanted and looked again when we had the funding..... turned out that the boat we originally found was still there (mostly because it needed so much work) and the price had been dropped so much that we could afford it.
Take into consideration though we are both disabled and don't have anything better to to with our time than projects... on top of that we are impulse buyers.
So far it has worked out for us, be we are a completely different animal than most.

Remember to have as much fun as you can when looking for a boat. Look at boat you can't really afford then look as some that are well under what your budget is. It really gives you perspective as to what is doable and what is not.
And though some may disagree, I feel that it is always good to daydream of something well above what you can have... not to get depressed, but for you to step back and look and what is more important in a boat and what you can do later.
__________________
AnneP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-02-2010, 06:39   #75
Senior Cruiser
 
osirissail's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: A real life Zombie from FL
Boat: Gulfstar 53 - Osiris
Posts: 5,416
Images: 2
Actually it is very helpful to look at as many "too expensive" boats as your can and write down the little differences between that type boat and the ones you can afford. A lot of the "high end" boats have great ideas on how to improve your affordable boat and make it much better than it was originally.
- - I saw on the high end boats that they had horizontal hand-rails mounted inside the cabin to help you in a rolling sea get from one end to the other. So I bought some teak hand-rails from the local boat supply and screwed them into the sidewalls along the galley and inside the heads and now have a much nicer boat. There are lots of small "great ideas" you can "steal" from the fancy boats and then use them in your affordable boat.
__________________

__________________
osirissail is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
So how long is long enough Reluctantsailor Sailor Logs & Cruising Plans 30 19-01-2014 17:42
fg how long ksmith Construction, Maintenance & Refit 13 08-08-2008 13:23
How long did it take? Brandywine Multihull Sailboats 17 18-08-2007 19:23
At long last amendelson General Sailing Forum 2 27-03-2007 12:43
so long tauras General Sailing Forum 4 23-11-2005 09:41



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 08:03.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.