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**weavis** · 06-05-2014, 16:33

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Originally Posted by 44'cruisingcat

There are some obvious ones - Gunboats, Chris White Atlantics, Outremer...

Ah.
Sorry, I was thinking of more stock vessels, ie not in the million(s) range. I was thinking top of the range Lexus not Ferrari...

Polux · 06-05-2014, 16:35

and some smaller ones, the Sig 45:

SIG45 High Performance Catamaran Sailing Fast - YouTube

the Dragonfly 32:

Dragonfly 32 Supreme New Video - YouTube

the Corsair 37:

Trimaran Corsair 37 RS Carbon at 20 knots GOPRO 3+ on Vimeo

Just to mention production boats

**boatman61** · 06-05-2014, 16:50

I quite liked these back in the 80's...

SaltyMonkey · 06-05-2014, 17:27

MOVE OVER!!!

caradow · 06-05-2014, 17:52

Hey Polux your guy Yvan is French
All he needs is a place to store Begets and bottles of wine.....he will be fine.
Anyone else would probably die.

tomfl · 06-05-2014, 18:00

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Originally Posted by Polux

and some smaller ones, the Sig 45:

SIG45 High Performance Catamaran Sailing Fast - YouTube

the Dragonfly 32:

Dragonfly 32 Supreme New Video - YouTube

the Corsair 37:

Trimaran Corsair 37 RS Carbon at 20 knots GOPRO 3+ on Vimeo

Just to mention production boats

Nothing against a SIG45 but they could run around $US1,000,000 and not really have the cruising ability (at least to me) of something like an Outremer which might be a little cheaper, probably not as fast, but the wife would probably be happier.

Dragonflys are not really a cruising boat as much as a nice weekend, couple of weeks cruise boat. Very nice and fairly fast.

The C37 is fast but again not really a cruising boat, limited tankage for water and fuel and not a lot of space for food.

Boats like Seawind, Shuttleworth, Crowther, fit the bill for some what affordable cats faster than the condomarans. Maybe 2/3 wind speed up to 18-20 knots.

Polux · 06-05-2014, 18:34

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Originally Posted by tomfl

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Dragonflys are not really a cruising boat as much as a nice weekend, couple of weeks cruise boat. Very nice and fairly fast.
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I hope you say that because you have never been inside a a Dragonfly 32 or 35. The 32 is more impressive because it is smaller even if the amas have almost the same length (that's why it is faster). I have a friend waiting for delivery of one. It is a coastal cruiser with a very well designed, high quality interior and lots of smart solutions for storage and space.

The space one needs is relative, some need a Condo cat others will be satisfied with what the Dragonfly 32 offers in space. They are not pointed to the same sailors: condo cats offer space and are slower than fast monohulls, the trimarans like the Dragonfly offer a bit less space than a beamy monohull with the same size but a much better sail performance.

For me the D32 space would be enough, not for my wife. I managed to convince her to have a 35ft Dragonfly... not very satisfied, but she accepted (she likes the speed and the lesser time on passage) but I cannot find the money to have one

the Dragonfly 32 interior:

The Dragonfly 35 interior:

I would not have problems in going bluewater with the Dragonfly 35, several are out there cruising, having crossed the Atlantic.

At the end of the movie you can see the interior of the 35:

Dragonfly 35 - YouTube

I agree that the Corsair 37 is a lot more spartan. It would be enough for me, certainly not for my wife

SaltyMonkey · 06-05-2014, 19:17

Holy $hit

2012 Dragonfly 35 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

$450,000!!!!

SaltyMonkey · 06-05-2014, 19:19

More my price range:

1988 Condor 40 Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986.../United-States

although I could not steer it when I tried once.

**weavis** · 06-05-2014, 19:48

I love the speed and the concept of the Dragonfly.
For me though, its too wet a ride to enjoy at 16 plus knots on cruises, and too expensive to not like being soaked to the skin on long passages.

Great racing boat though.

Dulcesuenos · 06-05-2014, 20:45

Just cause someone takes trips longer than a few days on a large beach cat or day cat or fast tri but not really liveable trimaran doesn't make it a cruiser..just like putting a bed and a toilet in a van doesn't really make it an rv. The owners of the smaller tech 35's and edel cats nd even one mainecat I've spoken too didnt refer to their boats as cruisers they referred to them more as weekenders or good for a week or two. Though definitely consider the larger shuttleworths, and the bigger edel cat as faster cruisers,

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tomfl · 06-05-2014, 21:01

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Originally Posted by Polux

I hope you say that because you have
SNIP

Because you read the specs and know that the Dragonfly 35 carries 36 gallons of water and twenty gallons of fuel and think a cruising boat should have lots more tankage.

**minaret** · 06-05-2014, 21:26

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Originally Posted by tomfl

Because you read the specs and know that the Dragonfly 35 carries 36 gallons of water and twenty gallons of fuel and think a cruising boat should have lots more tankage.

Depends on the cruising, doesn't it? With a watermaker and plenty of solar, would be fine for most stuff. But for crossing oceans, you might want more fuel and water. At least, if you don't want to spend significant amounts of time wallowing in the doldrums you might...